Cleverley & Cathcart - Enough Is Enough

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by NathWFC, Mar 6, 2022.

  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    The problem with this thread isn’t the language or insults used…it’s that it only includes 2 players when the reality is it should include the overwhelming majority of the squad.
     
  2. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Literally no proof either way whether he is or not. As opposed to the others who are all proven to be complete and utter ****.

    It's a disgrace how little he's played.
     
  3. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    I do wish we’d moved on from a lot of our squad, but equally a lot of those brought in have no heart and are prepared to ‘substitute themselves’ when the going gets tough.

    Our squad desperately lacks in quality, work rate, leadership and commitment. Some people are kidding themselves that Hodgson is the problem, the truth is the issue is recruitment and the squad we have.
     
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  4. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    And there's clearly an issue with a deep lying culture at the club. Sure our players are all a bit crap, but they noticeably get crapper whilst they play for us. All of them do. And there's literally no commitment to the cause. We've seen this in several iterations of the squad now, so it's not coach or player specific. It's a malaise surrounding the whole club which seemingly engulfs all players sooner or later.
     
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  5. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    But whilst Hodgson isn't the problem, he's most definitely not the solution either
     
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  6. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    Well, well, well, looks like Roy Hodgson agrees with a lot of us. So what’s the excuse now? Cathcart is our best centre back cos he keeps getting picked? We don’t know better than Roy? We’re not in training?
     
  7. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Tired - some players need a rest according to Roy.
     
  8. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    So does Hodgson to be honest, and maybe the only silver lining of another defeat this afternoon could be he’s about to get one.
     
  9. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Clathcart
     
  10. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Aaaaaand we win as they're both dropped.

    Coincidence? I think not.
     
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  11. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    Yet before the match kicked off there were complaints that the selected 11 was rubbish. A joke to replace Cleverley with Kucka and that neither Sierralta or Etebo were involved.

    Personally I don’t care who plays if they can as a squad somehow scrape together five more wins this season.
     
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  12. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    Kuca is not a great player anymore BUT he's better than Cleverley.

    Same as Kabasele, he's better than Cathcart (always has been).

    Just hope to God we don't see them start again!
     
  13. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Kucka has got time to recover too now after a very good performance and Kabasele just needs to stay fit .
     
  14. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Have to say, my thoughts on today's Cathcart are well-documented enough, but I'm surprised about this view - Kabasele has never proven himself to be anything other than potentially dangerous, whilst Cathcart was a perfectly dependable and solid starting Premier League centre back for multiple seasons, despite his incredibly annoying proclivity for engaging in constant head tennis. It's one of the reasons the way he's fallen off a cliff as an individual at such a relatively early age is so striking, and problems we had with defence at the time were much more about who his partners were than him.
     
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  15. SerbianHornet

    SerbianHornet Academy Graduate

    In my opinion, Kabasele is a better player than Cathcart, but he is prone to making catastrophic errors similar to WTE(although WTE makes them even more often than Kabasele), while Cathcart doesn't make those big mistakes but is a worse player.
     
  16. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    I agree that he's quite possibly a worse player now, although my wavering on that is mostly based around the miniscule sample size of the player that Kabasele actually is over the past couple of seasons, but in our most successful season, 18/19, Cathcart was clearly our senior and most capable centre back - shown in part by the fact that he played twice as many games as Kabs, which was itself in part because Kabs somehow managed to be kept out of the team on multiple occasions by a 74-year-old Adrian Mariappa.
     
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  17. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    I think SerbianHornet has summed it up well.

    Kabasele is a better player but more prone to major errors that cost a goal. Similar to Titus Bramble if you can remember him? Reads the game much better than Cathcart and his positioning is better, just has lapses in concentration, which if he didn't have he'd have been playing regularly for Belgium & a top European club.

    Not the answer in the long term and that's a major annoyance of mine why Cathcart & Kabasele weren't replaced in the summer!!
     
  18. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Lets not forget Josh ‘Andre’ King was also dropped and that made a difference as well…
     
  19. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Reservist

    Cathcart is a legend.
     
  20. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    These are the players that have been keeping our heads above water.
     
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  21. K9 Hornet

    K9 Hornet Border Collie Dog

    while our hats are on fire.

    No, I'm not sure what I mean either.
     
  22. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Reservist

    Unnecessarily incendiary comment there.
     
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  23. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    It's definitely time to think about freshening things up. Get rid of the proven failures and bring in players who have been successful here in the past. Perhaps we should look at only signing players who have previously won the Watford FC Player of the Season award?

    Potentially we could have a line up looking like this next season:

    GK: Foster
    RB: Abdi
    CB: Prodl
    CB: Mariappa
    LB: Cleverley
    RM: Sarr
    CM: Doucoure
    CM: Capoue
    LM: Smith
    ST: Deeney
    ST: Graham

    Bring it on!
     
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