Claudio Ranieri - Current Watford Manager

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by GoingDown, Oct 3, 2021.

  1. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    This, I'm sure, sounds very stupid and overly thought out, but from considering/obsessing over it, I have drawn the conclusion that literally the number one most impactful thing you can possibly do to present as 'youthful' as opposed to 'middle-aged' or 'old' or whatever, is to remain lean. And not lean like 'I'm not considered fat for my age' - lean in an all-human relative sense.

    Our culture in the West has for the past few decades at least just accepted that as soon as you reach any kind of age, it's fine and even expected to just stop exercising, stop considering your health and what you eat, and slowly melt and become physically incapable over the ensuing decades - contributed to by time demands of work and family, etc etc. The standard view of a middle-aged man is one with a noticeable paunch, at the least. And yet, no one told our bodies - there's never a point where it's any healthier, or indeed not-dangerous, to carry excess fat around your waist as a man, or to not have specifically exercised in months/years/decades. Human bodies are designed to move, right up until they literally can't (something that will come a lot sooner if you allow it - short of unexpected illness/debilitating injury, of course). It's genuinely a key factor in worsening health outcomes as we all age, and it could so easily be fixed, or at least heavily worked on, and it's a general perception that has to change in a broader, societal sense.

    So yeah, well done to Claudio, really. He still presents as a fully-realised person in his own right in that sense - a good lesson for us all.

    (Also I'm sure you know this but this is not aimed specifically at you in any way a19tgg, just my response to the concept/piggybacking :D)
  2. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    I don't know if she if still alive but his Mum was still around in her late 90s when Ranieri was at Leicester so maybe the family just age well.

    We'll see after this run of games.

    I do hope for his sake the Pozzos etc aren't expecting too much.

    I mean we could perform a lot better (and will need to) but still come out with not many points in reality.
  3. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Call me naive, but I don't think the Pozzos are expecting too much from this season, I think we are budgeting to go down and build back up again from the Championship, hence the near zero net spend, and hence we're finally getting our promising young players on sensible loans. That, and the fact that they are pals with Ranieri makes me think that he'll last the season, although I very much doubt Ranieri would stick around if we do go down
  4. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    I don’t buy that. I don’t think anybody “budgets to go down” - not even Norwich - but of course it’s a choice to immediately spend up to (and beyond) your means or not. There is absolutely no guarantee that any team will bounce straight back after relegation because there will always be significant changes to the squad.
  5. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Whether this is the case or not, and sure, it's theoretically possible, it's an utterly idiotic decision if it is. Relegation cost us enough last time and we had covid cheat codes for getting back up - there's far less guarantee next time, and we would lose a raft more of our most promising players - not only that, but for a value far less than if they were being sold from a position as a Premier League team, not to mention the cost of importing a half a new team once more. You can't rely on promising young players coming back from loan to get promoted either, especially when you have no continuity in head coach or style of play/ethos on the pitch. It's not how the Championship works these days. If they did make a calculation to spare a few million on, say, an appropriate defender, in favour of going back down and 'resetting', then they genuinely are incompetent/foolish.
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  6. LaClusazSki

    LaClusazSki Reservist

    This idea been stated many times on here by other members.
    The majority of fans fully expect Watford to be relegated this season.
    Even with Raneri as manger, the players are simply not good enough.
    I will be very surprised if Ranieri is still our manager in March/April .
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  7. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    The majority of fans might expect Watford to be relegated, but I don’t believe the majority of Watford fans do.
    Ranieri could well be still with us in the spring if we look like avoiding relegation moderately comfortably, but I doubt he will still be here this time next year.
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  8. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Just noticed that CR joined us on 4th October. This is an auspicious date in the WFC calendar, down the years, on more than one occasion, significant positive events have occurred on that date.
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  9. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Yep. The problem is staying lean requires discipline and most people lack it.

    Also by middle age people are settled down with a partner so have no need to make the best of themselves to attract a mate anymore.

    Add to that the excuse of having kids so dont have time to eat well (makes no sense) or exercise (get up earlier you lazy slob) and it's easy to see why most people are fat khunts as they get older.

    Additionally, as most people lack discipline they tend to put down people who do have disciple and look good. It is human nature to lash out when someone has something you yourself lack.

    Sadly in most couples unless they are both lean, the fatty will rarely be supportive of the person attempting to get fit and their efforts fail.

    Then of course there is the myth of middle aged spread and the deluded belief it is just not possible to stay slim as you age.

    But being lean in a world of obesity is a great place to be. The feeling of superiority everywhere you go is intoxicating.
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  10. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    The number of overweight / obese primary school children is alarming.
    One ten year old arrived for a taster lesson on Friday and she weighed more than three of the children combined.
    Frightening how we have become so idle in the last twenty five years.
  11. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    It's just the norm now. The definition of fatness has shifted. It's got to the stage now where if you are not morbidly obese then you are not overweight.

    I saw Kate garraway on TV taking about her covid ridden husband. She was saying how she couldn't understand how he had been hit so hard by it, considering he was so fit and healthy. Then they showed a photo of a man with 40% body fat. It was her husband.

    This is the UK definition of fit and healthy now.
  12. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

  13. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    I'll try again. It does happen as a natural by-product of the core muscles weakening allowing your insides to literally 'sag' outwards. But you're correct in saying it's perfectly possible to reduce the impact by doing the correct exercises. And as you rightly say, that takes discipline.
  14. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Exactly right, but it applies to all your muscles as you age. That's why so many old men look disgusting. Weight lifting is the single most important thing you can do as you age. Far more so than jogging, cycling and the like. Not that the lycra clad drones with their sagging guts would agree.
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  15. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I managed 90 seconds.
  16. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Pearson would of shoved his pen up the interviewers nose. :D
  17. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Why is it called 'oven'when you of in the food cold and of out the hot eat the food?
  18. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    'Are you an ostrich!' :D
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  19. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    I was never fat, but last year during lockdown I wanted to get back to being 'fit' and work on myself aesthetically, having let it slip in the few years previously after stopping Uni sport and all that, so I counted calories and exercised more and lost almost two stone of fat that I wasn't even fully aware I had - I would have imagined it was maybe half of that before I did it.

    During that time maybe five friends and relatives told me I 'didn't need to do it', asked me why I did it, told me I was being restrictive, made repeated jokes about me having an eating disorder, and one (who was qualified as a personal trainer despite themselves being several stone overweight and still seemingly unable somehow to do anything about it) told me to 'stop'. Even when I explained the exact plan I was following, what I was doing and why, as well as where it would progress into the future, it made not a jot of difference.

    So yes, apparently considering what you eat and drink, having any control over it whatsoever, and becoming healthier/fitter in all ways is considered an eating disorder. You can guess the composition of the majority of people who did/said that.

    It's amazing how many of the generic beliefs about health and fitness that circulate in society and are often strongly-held beliefs are complete bullshyt - utterly wrong, and totally illogical when you think about them for even seconds. Yet people cling to them, no matter how meaningless, because they give excuses not to make any effort to change what they want to change.
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  20. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

  21. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Depends on what makes you happy. I'm 48 years old with a little bit of extra timber but am happy. I still play sport on a regular basis and do some running. Could I do with losing some weight? Probably, but I've always struggled to stick to diets and the like so fair play to you for sticking to your regime. I'm just not sure it's for everybody
  22. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Absolutely, that's fair - I'm not trying to rigidly enforce it, it's about a process of education from a young age more than anything else anyway - if you're happy that's great, of course, but it is a choice you are making in the knowledge that it still comes with certain health risks that you weigh up according to what's worthwhile/a priority to you. The fact that you exercise regularly puts you in a pretty high percentile anyway, particularly for your age group, which is obviously an advantage/good thing.

    The problem with those widespread myths and perceptions, though, is that they provide comfort - particularly for people who do nothing. Scientifically it's a fact that human bodies aren't designed to carry much fat, and are designed to move, and as soon as either of those things are neglected, health outcomes worsen - a lot of people don't square that in their minds, because they just go along with what is broadly considered 'normal'.

    Now that's extremely understandable, but not particularly good for the health of our society; particularly when we're the fattest country in Europe, with already high and still-rising obesity rates. To some extent, at least, that 'normal' needs to be recalibrated, if only to reduce the strain on and cost to the NHS; both current and projected.
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  23. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    Absolutely loving Claudio’s interview on sky this evening “ I want a team that tries to score a goal”. I guess that’s why these managers get paid the big bucks.
  24. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Thank god Gray/Deeney/Success have gone. Poor man would be pulling out what little hair he has left.
  25. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    The total opposite philosophy of Ivic
  26. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    With regard to your last point, what is the cost comparison of trying to get you to the toilet on time during your 90s verses the cost of the self inflicted decline of us Bon Vivants at 65? And factoring in all the sin taxes we have paid and the pension savings we donate by voluntary imploding . Don’t know the answer but it would be an interesting study.
  27. RS2

    RS2 Reservist

    So he's going to do nothing to prevent goals going in? Get this joker out, he's going to be a disaster.
    Last edited: Oct 12, 2021 at 12:59 PM
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  28. Since63

    Since63 Reservist

    He's clearly been studying the videos of our games thus far and has decided not to waste time on a lost cause.
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  29. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Won't need to. Bloke at the ESSO garage told me Watford have ordered a couple of steel girders to put across our goal each half. As long was we score one, we win. Gives Ben a break to work on his YT channel.
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  30. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    You're right, it would be interesting, although I'm not sure it's quite so simple as the 90 year olds versus the 65 year olds, because obesity costs the NHS a great deal of money at all age groups - so, of course, we're not talking about the bon vivants, we're talking about the real fatties, but when they're taken into account that side of the debate has a disproportionately wide impact.

    For example, in 2014-15 it was estimated that the NHS spent £6.1 billion a year annually on treating obesity and overweight-related health issues through all age groups, and obviously that includes things like type 2 diabetes, which isn't something that comes in advanced stages of life to end it, but can be developed in the first few decades and go on affecting you for the rest of your life. That figure is predicted to reach £9.7 billion a year by 2050.

    Children are becoming obese earlier and then staying obese, and back in 2017, 28% of 2-15 year olds were ranked as overweight or obese. Given the impact of time coupled with covid lockdowns and the lack of activity and potential economic hardship they have engendered, you'd probably assume that figure has worsened since. These are all crazy things to think about, and obviously there are a wide variety of factors that contribute to it, but one is the education of the parents - it's extremely rare that it's children becoming obese on their own initiative.

    Thanks to all that, it's really a far wider and more impactful effect than a binary weighing-up of 'dying of worse health at 65' or 'dying of extreme old age at 95' - especially when it's not actually that likely that people are dropping like flies at 65 in that clean kind of way - they're more likely to have and develop conditions and health problems, including cancers, that require treatment and money that then go on to cost the NHS more than they otherwise would before popping off years later. If it was just a Logan's Run style check-out it might weigh up a bit more equitably.
  31. reg_varney

    reg_varney Reservist

    Yer, she managed to squeeze the "singing" and prancing in while she was editing and publishing her famous film guide.

  32. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    Plus how many people aged 90 end up in a private care home shouldered at their own expense, through selling their house etc. Whereas you’d assume anyone at non retirement age in ill health through obesity would almost exclusively be the burden of the NHS.
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  33. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Well considering the Tories are increasing tax on everyone significantly (except pensioners) to pay for care, I imagine it’s quite a burden!
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  34. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Also it's not actually even going to reach the care sector :)
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  35. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    That's very interesting, thanks - I am suggesting that, but only in the context of multiple conditions being more likely if you are unhealthy/overweight and not looking after yourself, and that stretch out from that bon vivant age of (roughly, as Jumbo suggested) 65 into older age, rather than just doing for them straight off the bat at that kind of earlier age and thereby removing them from NHS care requirements altogether.

    I am not in any way a medical professional so I could be talking bollox and you're coming in with some factual information, so that's good.

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