Championship - 2023/24

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Steel City Gold, Mar 11, 2023.

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  1. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    He’s clearly a very poor manager which was painfully evident with us once he managed us in the PL.

    There are countless examples of assistants and coaches taking temporary charge of teams and doing really well initially because the players had given up playing for the outgoing manager. That’s basically what we got from Munoz at just the right time, but that’s always a temporary thing, and in the long term little things like tactics always win out.
     
  2. reids

    reids First Team

    https://fbref.com/en/comps/10/Championship-Stats

    Fbref is the best freely available one, has it for a fair few leagues and uses Opta data which is pretty good (probably the 2nd best xG model i've seen). Also has a ton of other stats that are pretty useful for a free site.
     
  3. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    A bit like with Javi (who we perhaps should have kept), the Pozzos shat the bed, it would have been far better to can him at the end of the season and let the new man do his thing than give him a few games in which we understandably didn't perform in. I saw a lot of Watford fans jump on Wednesday fans when they seemed excited about the appointment, which was a bit upsetting as he's clearly a great bloke and did help us go up when things were looking less than promising, but it's basically the truth...
     
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  4. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Us?
     
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  5. wfcwarehouse

    wfcwarehouse First Team Captain

    That’s him sacked after the next game - massively feeling the pressure and cracking in plain sight.
     
  6. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Thanks . I’ve been using this one as it has an Xg Pts column too - only problem is it doesn’t update until Tuesdays
     
  7. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    As much as it pains me I do agree with you. Personally I never had a problem with Xisco and he did well to organise what was (then) the most talented side in the Championship. He got us 7pts from 7 games in the PL but the football was dreadful after we went 3-0 against Villa and he had to go (not that we did much better with the others mind).

    With Wednesday he is having a very tough baptism of fire back in the Championship, finding that having a weaker side means he needs to adapt more to the past of the division. I feel sorry for him to a degree, but football is a results game and even if your Mr. Nice guy, which is his whole persona, he will find himself out just like any other manager. I wish him luck and hope he can turn it around, but I do not think a club with the support Sheff Wed have will put up with the results for much longer.
     
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  8. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Wow goals galore so far. Ipswich continuing their title winning form, Plymouth might get another hiding and QPR losing.
     
  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Russell Martin coming under even more pressure ?
     
  10. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Possible. Lose tonight it's three losses in a row. Likewise if Boro' win at Wednesday then Xisco could be gone.
     
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  11. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I'd have thought with the last-ditch nature of their promotion that they'd be more realistic about their chances, but even so, 1 point after 6 games will have anyone under pressure. I genuinely wish him well, he's one of the few managers we've had recently who we've grown a proper attachment to, but I can only see things going one way unfortunately
     
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  12. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Actually they now lead Boro! :p
     
  13. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    A potential draw at Hillsbrough probably no good for either manager.

    What has gone wrong at Boro ?
     
  14. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    No clue but they are defending really poorly. At the time of writing it's still 1-1. Other results where more or less as expected, Preston finally beating Brum, QPR / Swansea draw, Cardiff beating Coventry and Martins must be under pressure now surely. Ipswich are riding one hell of a wave of confidence at the moment. Southampton are in free fall right now.

    I would say the perfect set of results for us tonight, "if" we can capitalise tomorrow night that is.
     
  15. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Lost all their loan players from last season who were the difference .

    I’ve not seen them play but their XG points puts them mid table so maybe like is they’ve not got their just rewards.
     
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  16. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    And their 2 goal scorers of course .
     
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  17. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Far too early to say this, we're as likely to trouble the top 6 as we are the bottom 3 right now I'd say!
     
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  18. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Or they might just have a shaky defence/goalie and misfiring strikers, xG doesn't always even out!
     
  19. reids

    reids First Team

    Lost Akpom (golden boot)
    Lost Giles (most assists in the league)
    Lost Archer
    Lost Ramsey
    Lost their keeper
    Plus a bit of bad luck in front of either goal
     
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  20. reids

    reids First Team

    Apparently Huddersfield seriously explored hiring Jill Ellis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Ellis) as their new manager. Would've been a huge moment for the game. They've ultimately gone for Darren Moore instead though it looks like
     
  21. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    I’m surprised Emma Hayes hasn’t been looked at for job in men’s league - if that is what she wanted .
     
  22. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Don't worry, they come to the Vic in 10 days time.
     
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  23. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    We could argue:
    Lost Pedro
    Lost Sarr
    -------------------- front this point on nothing to see here:
    Lost Kamara
    Lost Kabasele
    Lost Cathcart
    Lost Cleverley
    Lost Blake
    Lost Kalu
    Lost Troost Ekong
    Lost Pussetto
    Lost Gaspar
    Lost Ferreira
    Lost Gosling
    Lost Okoye
    Lost Quina
    Lost Hungbo
    Lost Davis
    Lost Choudhry
    Lost Bacuna
    Lost Assombolonga
    Lost Fletcher
     
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  24. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    I fear someone is going to find Fletcher and return him to us
     
  25. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Well we've got him til 2026....
     
  26. fuzzy73

    fuzzy73 Squad Player

    Yep, circling the drain for three more years
     
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  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Lone feez.
     
  28. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    I love that anaolgy. Made me laugh :)
     
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  29. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    According to him his contract runs out at the end of the season
     
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  31. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss First Team

    Send him to Australia so he can go the other way .
     
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  32. Cassetti's Beard.

    Cassetti's Beard. First Year Pro

    Early days, but some surprising stats:

    Watford are joint 8th highest scorers
    Watford have joint 4th best defence
    Watford have the 2nd highest xG per 90 minutes.
    Watford have the lowest xGA per 90 minutes.
     
  33. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Which could go one of two ways:
    Our results start matching the stats or
    Our performances drop off, in which case we could be in some bother.
     
  34. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    bodes well long term you feel
     
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  35. Cassetti's Beard.

    Cassetti's Beard. First Year Pro

    I concur, I think it's safe to say we'll certainly be finishing between 1st and 24th.
     
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