Championship 2021-2022

Bad night for the haters, the championship Ronaldo making them eat their **** and their keyboards.

 

He smashed it in the bottom corner. Looks like he's changed his technique

 

If they agree to settle for 9 points I can only assume it could've been a whole lot worse. It's gonna be tough for Rooney to keep them up if it happens. The only consolation for Derby fans might be Forest going down with them.

 

If we'd had King Marco in charge last season we'd have won most games by 5 or 6 goals. It would have been the season of our lives. Like the season Fulham are having x10.

Instead of that we had dumb and dumber and some of the worst results in our history, considering the players we had.

 

Presume you’d prefer them to stay in the champ then so we get to play them ??

 

Great goals - see Reids highlights in loanee thread.

 

Reckon it would be better for us next season if the current top 3 go up (West Brom, Fulham & Muff), could see them being tricky opponents back in the Champ next season. Although if Muff failed this season their parachute payments etc.. would start to be on the wain.

 

Covid and FFP have created a clear yo-yo divide now, the worry is the the baying mob with their pitchforks get louder and louder and they eventually end up getting reviewed.

 

Hughton gone. No surprise.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58579227

 

See the "assuming we stay up", obviously would rather play them in the Prem than the Championship. Though even if we go down, despite being deprived of the away trips, I'd still like to see them in the Prem rather than the same old yo-yo teams we've seen for so long. Trouble is that would mean at least one of Fulham and West Brom fail to go up and the Championship looks like it will be stronger than it was last season regardless.

 

Part of me finds the plight of my East Mids friends amusing but mostly it’s just depressing that two proud, historic clubs with great fans have been brought to their knees by terrible owners.

 

I haven't really followed the saga at these clubs, but it feels like Forest have had a long slow decline punctuated by many poor decisions, while Derby's has been more sudden and catastrophic following their failure to get promoted for several consecutive years around 2015.
The really sad thing is I remember these two in the past as the shining example of how smaller clubs could get to the very top, when that was possible in football before extreme financial greed ruined everything.

 

Yes quite right, nothing has gone right for Forest since the late 90’s, just a series of owners gradually getting worse and worse until they’ve arrived at this Greek chap who once stormed the pitch at PAOK with a handgun.

I remember my barber when I lived their about 10 years ago proudly telling me that they had become the richest club in the world when they were bought by a Sheik….

Mel Morris had a good go at getting Derby up but despite having a great record of bringing local youth through they always seemed to favour an outdated approach of filling the team with ex Prem players on big wages. A bit of a ‘I’ve heard of him he must be good approach’

Looks like he’s just lost interest now and is basically doing what Ashley is at Newcastle without the TV revenue.

 

Pundits & journos often don't know enough about unfashionable clubs to say anything insightful, so they reach for tired cliches. Changing managers every few weeks is a Watford cliche, but not a Forest one, even though it probably should be.

 

I find the Derby and forest plights hilarious. I don't want them to go bust but I'd love it if they both had a spell in the conference.

I can't stand the accent up there. Calling each other me duck ffs.

 

I'd forgotten just how good Derby used to be before I looked up their history again recently, like with Forest that was largely down to Clough, but his successor Dave Mackay continued his great work, winning another title before they went into decline. After being relegated from the top flight in 1980, they'd spent more seasons out of the top flight than in it, including a stint in Division 3 (although there was a brief flicker of glory when they finished 5th under Arthur Cox in 1988/89), even by the end of Jim Smith era. Since then they've been like Ipswich, Forest and Sheffield Wednesday minus their humiliating one season in the Prem and without their stints in the third tier.

I suppose Derby are one of those clubs like Forest and Ipswich that have never been that big, they just had a glory era under one of the best managers in English football that raised their profile to a level that has remained since and which sadly they can't live up to anymore.

 

Eh up duckeh owt wrong you’re being mardeh

 

Derby, NF, Sheff Wed, Coventry, Brum, Bolton, Blackburn, there are a lot of largish midlands/NW clubs who've struggled to fulfill the potential of their fanbase and hit financial difficulties in recent years due to poor decision making by their owners. Leicester are enjoying a golden spell but could easily have been in the same boat. With a smaller fanbase we are battling to stay ahead of that group but could so easily have been another Charlton in League 2 with the likes of Ipswich, Sundersland & Pompey.
There but for the grace of god etc
Would happily see NF & Derby relegated as long as they leave one space for L****.

 

They were all able to operate well Pre-PL due to their superior attendances and therefore superior income. This was something more or less guaranteed season in season out. Once the PL came along this was no longer enough, and in fact is largely, if not completely irrelevant in terms of percentages of revenue. An extra £10m from gate receipts is irrelevant if a club with half your fan base is getting £100m in the PL.

Any poorly run clubs quickly sunk without trace, and every season the disparity grows and bad decisions are compounded further.

If/when they ever make it back, they will need an owner that will front up at least £100m+ to try and stay up, and also be willing to shoulder the fall out of being relegated with the associated wage bill.

 

Sorry to be selfish, but Forest and Derby are good away days, so we don’t want them relegated this year. Blackpool, Swansea and Hull please.

 

What's good about Derby away?

 

Yep, when ITV Digital collapsed we nearly went.

All adds to the magical fairytale of the nation’s favourite club.

 

That car park tho.

 

Largely true, but even though they had decent attendances Forest and Derby were by no means they biggest. The likes of Sheff Wed and Man City spring to mind off the top of my head and others we regard as big clubs were not winning as much as those two (e.g. Arsenal).
One thing that also often forgotten is that, before the early 80s, all gate receipts were shared. So the advantage of a Man U, with 50,000 attendances over a Watford with 15,000 was smoothed, although the bigger club still had the advantage over a season. Once the big clubs demanded an end to this it was the thin end of the wedge towards the demise of any sense of 'league' when all members work together for the greater good while still competing on the pitch.

 

Charlton have been relegated three times to the third tier in 12 years, a far cry from the Alan Curbishley years, surely hitting a new low as they were not only unbeaten but outplayed at home to Cheltenham last weekend in their first league meeting. Sheff Wed are also back down there for a third time, and they're a much bigger club.

 

Was that true - thought is was only cup games where you shared. Didn't realise there was a time when you shared league receipts. When was that?

Edit: Already answered

 

Eh?

 

We've only spent 2 seasons outside of the top two divisions since 1979. That's pretty good going for a club our size.

(mostly thanks to GT of course)

 

Yes, and during the first third of the Dyche season I thought we had a good chance of going back down there as we'd arguably overachieved for so long - and look what happened nine months later!