Animal Crackers

Yes, it ill behooves them to try.

 

Ban?

 

Furlong ?

 

Could still do a better job than Bayo.

 

Might want to delete this. You can get arrested for that.

 

Great use of resources here.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c03l250y138o

Policing clearly now becoming a popularity contest, where the more the public ‘vote’ for action the more happens. House to house enquiries, leaflets posted, 75 witnesses interviewed, 250 video clips reviewed. All overseen by a senior detective from their major crime team who normally investigate homicides and kidnappings. Cost of the investigation so far estimated to be in the low tens of thousands, possibly as much as £50k.

Slap up meal with steaks all round at HQ if they get this investigation and criminal charges across the line!

 

We know this will end up with the cow getting 5 years.

 

I'm gonna riot. No justice, no peace.

 

I am somewhat serious. My gast is often flabbered by British people in particular and animals. That was the point of starting this thread.

People have whipped horses to train them for centuries. They still do. In the big part of the world, where animals are working rather than dancing in what Fidel called "the millionaire sports", it is very normal to use a whip on a horse.

Furthermore, it doesn't seem to have any effects on them apart from making them go faster or keeping them to their task of ploughing or hauling carts. In my Cuba a horse pulls a local cart with 8 or 10 people plus driver. In 35 degrees and getting whipped sometimes. But people look after their horses of course at the same time, because it is their living.

I have seen the video of this high falutin' jod-hopperer lady whipping her horse. It was a long time ago. She has said sorry in the most heartfelt way - none of this "sorry if anyone is offended" stuff. She's kicked out of the Olympics, shamed, disgraced and still the animal fruitcakes are baying for her blood. They want more.

It's just jaw dropping really. In other countries, the compassion is for fellow humans.

 

I think it's 50% the stupid softness for animals and 50% just whatever the news agenda happens to be on a particular day. I'm constantly nonplussed by an old git wandering round his garden, some chav drug mule falling down a cliff on a Spanish Island or a royal family member using a **** app to manipulate a picture, or a relatively minor conflict in the middle east, with a fraction of the casualties of some of the other global conflicts. I just don't understand what gets people hot under the collar. What flicks that switch and what doesn't even get covered.

 

There are lots of things we did for centuries, a lot of them nobody seemed to mind at the time either. Up to 1929 you can still get married at 12, shall we bring that back because it was ok for centuries?

Jockeys get suspended and disqualified for overuse of the whip, the fact that this woman was suspended is direct proof that her actions were in direct contradiction of the rules, and what is or isn’t appropriate when it comes to how to train these horses.

Because something happened for a long time is possibly one of the feeblest excuses to try and justify animal cruelty.

 

Also, it's not the case that compassion for animals excludes compassion for humans.

 

I think it’s pretty simple. Humans can be evil, selfish nasty creatures on various levels. We mostly all have control over our own destiny and how we live our lives, unless another human being interferes with that.

Animals are used by us for our pleasure, and for food, they are completely at our mercy in terms of how their life pans out, and whether it contains any significant pain or suffering along the way. And yet they aren’t evil, like humans can be, they just want to survive and avoid pain.

The vast majority of humans don’t need looking out for, animals are largely defenceless and do need looking out for.

If something bad happens to a human it’s usually due to their own actions or that of another human, if something bad happens to an animal it’s normally at the hands of another human, for the benefit of their enjoyment.

 

I think people project far too much human emotion and sensibility onto animals.

They don't love you. They aren't being cheeky. They don't have a sense of humour. They are motivated by simple needs.

I don't approve of unnecessary cruelty, but I think this country goes over the top, as evidenced by the seasonal 'hot weather' virtue signalling all over Facebook.

 

But the people outraged by a horse getting whipped for the benefit of a human don’t think the horse loves them.

The horse didn’t ask to be a dressage horse, or to be repeatedly whipped every day of its life. It just wants to survive and avoid a pain free life.

I can understand that some people don’t care about animals, but at the same time I don’t understand how some people don’t understand why many people do.

People generally care more for and about children because they are reliant on adult humans and need protecting from them in certain circumstances, the reason people care about animals is not that far removed, and as has been stated above, it’s not a mutually exclusive thing.

If a dog is overheating due to the selfish actions of a human, then someone looking to alleviate that pain and suffering for them isn’t doing so at the expense of a human being.

 

No, but they think the horse has feelings and emotions like a human. I have to be honest, I didn't watch the full CDJ video but the bit I saw seemed like she was whipping it with a fairly weak stroke of some long, thin whip. It didn't look like it would've hurt the horse that much to me. Other people obviously think differently and are outraged. Same people who were outraged that a rampant cow was knocked over by a police car.

The dog was in a car with a human. Clearly fine. The horse was probably fine. The cow was fine. Yet people are so engrossed in their soppy love in for beasts that they shame and degrade people for not treating every creature like its beloved household pet.

 

Well the horse certainly has feelings, it can 100% feel pain, it has a nervous system, brain and neural network similar to our own. Many species of animals are also capable of feeling various emotions, this has been proven beyond doubt on many occasions.

 

I know it can feel pain, I'm just sceptical whether that level of pain has long term detriment.

As for emotions, I'd like to see what proof there is of that, as it sounds like baloney.

 

Really ? Have you not seen video of a dog that has been mistreated in the past, cowering when someone simply raises their arm ? Of course mistreatment has a long term impact !

 

They do have love? Our dog loves us more than herself.
The human race has a lot to learn from the animal kingdom.

 

Yes it does, massively.
I've had a few rescue dogs in my life and it has taken sometimes months to get their trust. But once you have it you have it for the rest of their lives. Something you can't say about man.

 

**** me.
Maybe we should start sending children up chimneys again.

 

I said that particular instance. Don't use reductive arguing on me.

I will wager that 5 years later or whatever it is, that horse is fine.

Once again human emotion for animals triumphs over reason

 

The very fact that you equate animals with human children is the entire issue of this thread. Congratulations.

 

It Isn't though is it?
My comment was made on historical events when supposedly it was OK to beat an animal to train it. Like sending children up chimneys.
I notice you had missed my other posts and picked up on one comment that you've taken out of context. Congratulations to you.
And yes scientific studies show certain animals have a sense of humour.

 

What have I taken out of context?

Do I need to quote and reply to everything you say? I'm not gonna argue about whether or not your dog 'loves you.' (It doesn't).

 

How do you know? You’re just asserting that as a fact without any proof.

 

I'm not taking on the entire animal crackers population on my own. You lot are worse than Islamic fundamentalists.

 

There we go. 1-0 to us!

 

What qualifies you to come to a conclusion like that?
No you don't need to but funnily enough you answer the one the better follows your narrative.

 

Anyone who thinks other animals aren't capable of feeling emotions is simply wrong. There are numerous scientific studies out there to the affirmative, including MRIs of canine brains showing emotional responses to stimuli.

 

Nah.

 

Oh ok, sorry, I thought you were making a general comment on cruelty to animals, rather than that specific instance. I see now that wasn't the case.