Academy And Under-23s

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  1. hornetfan

    hornetfan Academy Graduate

    I suspect that it has happened because Tomas Galvez was not on the list of the Academy's new first-year scholars.
     
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  2. HeiaWatford

    HeiaWatford First Year Pro

    I totally understand what you're saying. There is nothing more I want than an exciting youth player comes through the ranks and becomes a mainstay in the first team but unfortunately those stupid rules that have been implemented don't help clubs like ours. Poaching players will always happen until something changes.
    Lawal i don't know he had some very positive comments made about him but maybe he's a Celtic fan for instance and would do everything in his power to get that move. Yes it's criminal but as i said the rulings around youth players don't help us as a club.
     
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  3. pleaseenterthenamebywh

    pleaseenterthenamebywh Academy Graduate

    Fair play to Lawal and any other youngster who's left the club this summer. The Pozzo regime's handling of young players has been a joke.
     
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  4. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    But surely the rules in place which allow Man City to take our youngsters for peanuts don't apply to Celtic as they are in another jurisdiction? This is an interesting case, because there's a young keeper coming the other way, apparently quite a good one too, supposedly because they struggled for games during the pandemic. I suspect as Lawal is Irish that this is a dream move for him, although if it's not, it could be a damning indictment of our youth system as I wouldn't imagine Celtic's facilities to be on a par with what they have at Man City!
     
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  5. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I mean, the last time we had loads of kids emerge was because we were skint and had no choice! While they looked half-decent at the time, only a few of them have gone on to be anything more than lower league journeymen, so issues with our youth system do go back further than the Pozzos. Sancho (and Kane and Saka too for the cheeky ones!) aside, if you're counting him, who's the last Watford youth product who's had a solid top level career? Mapps at a push, but the answer is probably Ashley Young...
     
  6. RS2

    RS2 Reservist

    He may have been guaranteed first team squad exposure in the cup competitions at least. It's probably easier to play a first team game for Celtic against Locomotive Highlanders in the Irn Bru Cup.
     
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  7. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    I doubt that's the case, we saw the likes Spencer-Adams and Agyakwa get a taste of first-team football, whereas Lawal was nowhere near. Lawal might be more talented than those two, but he's also younger so would have to wait a little while longer to get a sniff at Celtic you'd think (there's also no guarantee Celtic would draw some non-league team in the cup anyway). Besides, while the Scottish league is generally below even Championship level, surely there's still a risk to giving a green kid games? They're still expected to go hammer and tongs with Rangers, and still harbour hopes of doing something in Europe
     
  8. RS2

    RS2 Reservist

    Scottish football is absolute garbage. I'll be very surprised if Lawal doesn't even get on the bench for their first team this season at some point.
     
  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    He’ll probably be a young squad player at least
     
  10. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Can you blame them for this ?

    He has chosen to leave for a bigger club .
     
  11. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Considering Debayo has been called up for England in the past (albeit only training camps) and has gone to a bigger club, he's more likely to be in the first potentially good enough but just got nicked category you mention there.

    Actually when Debayo first got called up by England 2 years ago I half-joked in this thread:

    "I give it a month until he leaves for City."

    https://wfcforums.com/index.php?threads/academy-and-under-23s.43030/page-45#post-2770028
     
  12. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Looks like another one is off

    TheSecretScout

    @TheSecretScout_


    Tomas Galvez Done Deal Has said his goodbyes at Watford. Waiting for official announcement from top premier league club. 16-year-old regarded one of the best LB’s in the country Boom soon
     
  13. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Been reported for a while but guess this is official.
     
  14. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    No surprise that as soon as I questioned it the cogs started turning. I'm sure word got back to Sheihk Mansour that I was on the case.
     
  15. Us COGS are always turning :)
     
  16. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    No surprise.

    I actually said less than a month ago, 'he's signed for Man City'.

    #itk
     
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  17. Yes. I foresaw this late last year.
     
  18. ForzaWatford

    ForzaWatford Squad Player

    The EPPP system is ridiculous. Seriously what is the point of us having an academy when any player who is any good just gets picked up for peanuts. It is mental how much the game is stacked in favour of the teams with money, in every single way.
     
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  19. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

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  20. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Squad Player

    Sounds to good to be true.

    Man Utd, AC Milan, Atalanta, Lazio, Southampton and Everton all wanted him.

    In fact United fans were convinced they were signing him, one even made a welcome to United YouTube video!

    We are big time.
     
  21. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    We've currently got 18 year-old former Millwall striker Abdul Abdulmalik on trial. He was called up for a full England U17 squad 18 months ago. He was probably one of those who featured in our friendly vs Millwall yesterday.

    Abdulmalik rejected Millwall's offer of a new contract, though Millwall would still be due compensation. Millwall had recently rejected a £200k offer from Swansea for him. Confusingly, despite his apparent pedigree he had a trial at League One Portsmouth just before us and they didn't pick him up, though perhaps he rejected any offer or they couldn't afford him.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ngland-17-international-Abdul-Abdulmalik.html
     
  22. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    But signing GKs is boring.
     
  23. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Which youngsters are you referring too?
     
  24. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    A Watford XI including mostly underage players, trialists and Perica and Navarro drew 0-0 to Chesham United, though our #9 smashed a penalty against the bar (Deeney disguising himself as Perica?)
     
  25. RS2

    RS2 Reservist

    It was Cukur who missed the pen.
     
  26. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    That does make sense, I've seen Cukur take some Deeney-style penalties for the youth team!
     
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  27. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    But he missed..

    ;)
     
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    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

  29. reids

    reids Squad Player

    Cukur gone on loan to Doncaster (League 1)
     
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  30. RS2

    RS2 Reservist

    Really pleased with that, excellent move for him.
     
  31. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Oooo... a rare example of a player being placed at a decent level on loan by Watford.
     
  32. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

  33. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Good move, hope to see more of the same for Hungbo and co
     
  34. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    I'd say that is exactly what he will be, won't be anywhere near the first team squad (if we end up signing him).
     
  35. reids

    reids Squad Player

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