Pozzowolf Day 3

Discussion in 'Werewolf: The forum game' started by Otter, Nov 15, 2023.

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Day 3 sacrifice

Poll closed Nov 15, 2023.
  1. Cassettis Beard

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  2. Cthulhu

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Daft Row

    45.5%
  4. domthehornet

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Hornets81

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. SkylaRose

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. steve harrow

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. tonycotonstache

    45.5%
  9. TomWatfordWFC

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. watford willy

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  11. wfcMoog

    9.1%
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  1. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    Are you querying which messages on days 1 and 2 messages are good and evil?
     
  2. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Not at all.
     
  3. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Interesting observations. I think it's very difficult to sus out who is EVIL based purely on the little evidence we have been so far. Only one player (yourself) having been named EVIL but is this a red herring or a possible mutiny in the higher ups? It's very difficult to judge. Third day in and we have a lot of the players confirmed as GOOD. I am almost certain the first of today's messages was the Seer, while the second was too close in following to be legitimate, so has to be from a Wolf. Also, as others have mentioned, the encoding on the second message does feel like it was "slapped" on to cause confusion.

    Moog is on may radar purely because he's like a bandicoot in a tornado, impossible to read which side he plays for. But in that regard, he could also be a traitor and playing a coy game of cat and mouse. I feel watford willy is more or less going with flow of the game and has no signs (to me anyway) that he is anything but GOOD.

    Whoever the other three EVIL are, they are hiding pretty well and with the lack of concrete evidence against anyone it's going to be a guessing game of pot luck to weed them out, or waiting for one of them to slip up.
     
  4. Daft Row

    Daft Row Reservist

    Mutiny? How would that work?
     
  5. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    In previous games some wolves have named others as EVIL in the hope to take over as Alpha of the pack.
     
  6. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Players not knowing each other so early in the game. Inadvertently then put a spotlight on other players - good or bad. I've done it before in games hence why I tend to apply rubbish banter in the threads when there isn't much to go on. I'd rather try and add something than be called out for being inactive!

    I feel like a suffer the same fate as Skyla in these games. Try and keep the chats going and then get jumped on for mistyping a word or a number. Don't say so much and get jumped on the same way.

    This game drives me mad every time!
     
  7. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Moog has changed. For years he played as the reverse tinker seer and was accused of everything in most games and out early. If I remember correctly
    These days it's just pure chaos and lots of different accusations.
    Hard to read.
     
  8. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Daft Row I think is getting my vote.
    Just too neutral and under the radar for my liking. Voted Second last yesterday as well.
     
  9. Cassetti's Beard.

    Cassetti's Beard. Academy Graduate

    Very difficult game so far, really not much to go on.
     
  10. Daft Row

    Daft Row Reservist

    Just a few questions... Have you read my earlier message? How are you using my third to last vote for an evil character against me? When without my vote it would have been a draw? That should be applauded should it not? Is it possible you're the one that's been promoted to Pozzo hierarchy?
     
  11. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Hmmm very defensive.
    I had read but thought you said second to last mea culpe
    But correct anyone good in the first 2 days could have been promoted - including you (if you were ever good)
     
  12. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Pozzo like energy right there. Are you character acting
     
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  13. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    Let's take a look at the relevant messages so far:

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    Anonymous Message #1 - Received 9:59 (Seer)

    Good morning fellow Watfordites! It is your wise old seer here. This morning I viewed steve harrow - he is GOOD. Sorry I couldn't have been of more use. See you on the training pitches.

    42/4/O

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    Anonymous message #2 - Received 12:49 (Seer)

    Good afternoon fellow Watfordites! It is your wise old seer here again. I viewed Cthulhu - they are GOOD. Bummer.
    Yesterday I viewed steve harrow, who was GOOD.

    41/4/U

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    Anonymous message #1 - received 12:12 (Unknown)

    Good afternoon my Watford chums. Gino has an awful hangover, so it looks like your wise old seer will have to blink first today.

    Today I viewed Cassetti's Beard - they are GOOD. Darn it!

    Previously I viewed Cthulhu and steve harrow, who were both GOOD.

    Hopefully I can be of more use tomorrow!

    40/5/E

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    Anonymous message #2 - Received 12:21 (Unknown)

    Good afternoon fellow Watfordites! It is your wise old seer here again. I viewed Daft Row - they are EVIL. Yesterday I viewed Cthulhu - they are GOOD. I also viewed steve harrow, who is GOOD. Better.

    40/4/T

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    To me the 4th message looks like a blatant copy of the second. I have put in italics some wording that looks more naturally similar to me, and not a copy paste job. This, combined with the fact the messages came in quick succession today, would make me lean towards today's first message being from the seer.
     
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  14. Daft Row

    Daft Row Reservist

    Above post made me realise I've named players as good that may not be due to the board promotion. I also got the numbers wrong. So I believe if we avoid me we have a 1 in 3 opportunity to get an evil tonight, assuming two wolves and traitor.

    Breakdown below, please all scrutinise and let me know your thoughts.

    GOOD (Confirmed by Seer)
    • CB
    GOOD (Up to you to decide, not viewed by real Seer yet)
    • Daft Row
    UNSURE (Confirmed good by Seer, but could have been promoted to board since then)
    • Cthulhu - Let's see where the conversation goes from here...
    • Steve Harrow - Makes logical points. Such as ww and H81 named as good by Gino.
    UNKNOWN
    • Dom - Has backed my logic on Skyla and believes first message is Seer. But could be playing games, and no guarantee Skyla is good. Especially after the promotion to the board.
    • Hornets81 - Quiet. Named as good by Gino, red flag?
    • SkylaRose - If evil they should have thrown an evil view in yesterdays message to distract. However there has been a promotion to the board since then and their partner in evil may have been the Alpha and not have helped! Agrees second message is likely from wolf as they waited for Seer to post first.
    • tonycotonstache – Not posting anything of much value? Lots of ‘idle chat’.
    • TomWatfordWFC - Agreed that I would have been an odd Seer viewing. Thinks yesterday’s Seer message was the correct one. Doesn’t mean much though.
    • watford willy - Following the crowd. No reasoning. Named as good by Gino, red flag?
    • wfcMoog –Sporadic accusations, Moog being Moog. However very confident second message is wolf.
     
  15. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    Very good point - I'd forgotten about this!
     
  16. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    That's reasoned of you daft row and helpful.
     
  17. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    You've also responded to a threat with a logical post. Id place you in unknown.
    I think we have to go for an unknown
    None of us are buying that the second message was the seer.
     
  18. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    I think Evil now has two much of an advantage for Otter to promote a declared good into a Pozzo after they have had the benefit of the promotion itself. It tips the balance too far to evil so Ill leave Steve Harrow (all things being equal) out of the unknown.
     
  19. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    sugar, yes. I'd been working on the assumption that Cthulhu, CB and Steve were all named good, presuming the first message was the Seer, however, last night's promotion throws a spanner into the works.
     
  20. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    TCT
    Dom
    Skyla
    Hornets81
    Tom
    Daft Row
    Watford Willy
    (me)

    Working with what we do know, rather than what we don't know, at least 2, but probably at least 3 of the above are evil Pozzo scum.

    I wouldn't be too quick to rule out the newbies as having key roles either. That they were named in the message by what is 99% Pozzo, is neither here nor there really. Could be a random guess by their unknowing evil ally. Could be inexperienced players trying an obvious play to name themselves as good.

    I know it's not a hugely helpful narrowing down of the list but I'm voting for one of the above tonight (not myself) and I'm hoping over the next hour or so we can come to a consensus of which we should choose, bearing in mind that there are probably 3 among us who have a very different agenda to the rest.
     
  21. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I'm gonna have to vote soon. Evenings are too busy 6-8 and it's likely I'll forget otherwise.

    Last call for anyone to give some input before I check a box.
     
  22. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    If you are going to be voting me for my typo. Bummer.
     
  23. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    If you are unsure about Cthulu and I then you're either a wrong un or daft.
     
  24. Daft Row

    Daft Row Reservist

    It's just as possible as anyone else though right? Attempting to be completely unbiased and fair... as your posts have been all day.
     
  25. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    The point is that you could have been good and then 'promoted' to evil as per the write up yesterday.

    As I've said though, with that logic we can't eliminate anyone apart from CB
     
  26. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Three hours to vote people.
     
  27. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Although we now have a little bit more to go on than the previous two days, it's still very unclear from the messages who is on which side excluding the ones we know are GOOD. In accordance with believing the second message is a Wolf then it's pretty hard to vote Daft Row unless it is (as I said previously) an attempt to become Alpha. I think Moog flip flopping on who he votes for makes me suspect he is a possible traitor. Dom, watford willy, Tom, Tony and Hornets81 have not really shown any signs of a pointing to GOOD or EVIL at this point. Everyone seems to be playing a very safe game which in turn creates a very difficult choice on who to vote for.

    Surely we cannot continue to vote for an "inactive" player again, but it does seem like it's either that or we go with a random guess and hope to lynch an EVIL by nothing else but pure chance. Of course then we run the risk of accidently getting somebody from team GOOD, giving the three Wolves easy pickings from who is left. Difficult position for either side to be in right now, as the mid game tends to be.
     
  28. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Very forceful in all this today aren't you.
     
  29. Daft Row

    Daft Row Reservist

    If you say so?
     
  30. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    Fair point on the promotion. I hadn't thought of that so humble pie being scoffed :D
     
  31. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    I just think you are drawing a lot of attention in a very low activity day three, with so many quick responses and rationales. If I'm getting called out for one typo being misleading, maybe the big step up in detective work is as much to cover some of Team Evils mistakes today as a number error?

    Fair point no?
     
  32. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    Okay then, how about a bold claim... Daft Row is Nigel Pearson.
     
  33. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Too safe Skyla. Totally agree.
     
  34. steve harrow

    steve harrow Reservist

    Not trying to avoid leading any votes but only half read some posts from this afternoon so will need to look more when home.

    I'm good.
    I think Cthulu has a greater chance of being good than anyone else.
     
  35. TomWatfordFC

    TomWatfordFC Reservist

    To back this up, there has been a marked shift in play style, yesterday they voted as a good (imo), and today they are keen to point out that Cthulhu and steve harrow could have been turned. The person most likely to do that? The person who was actually NP. I'll kick off proceedings. Sorry DR, nothing personal.
     
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