Charlie Patino is leaving Arsenal I certainly wouldn't mind us taking him on if we could. Fair stats for a 19 year old in his first season in the Championship.
Is apparently a big Luton fan. Former Luton youth player. Doesn’t bother me that much but makes as a less likely destination. I reckon he goes to relegated Southampton/Leicester.
Becir Omeragic is on a free. No doubt much bigger than us will be out to get him, but I would love to see us at least try. Apparently joining Montpellier on a free but nothing official.
Seems so. Burnley were interested too allegedly. https://www.getfootballnewsfrance.c...meragic-to-join-montpellier-on-free-transfer/
Hopefully Cleverly and Bucuna follow them out of the door. Patino would be a decent option if affordable and he's willing to come. Ben Wiles would be a nice option too and on a free. Whiteman will be in his final year and is a top Championship midfielder. Tom Davis could possibly be a choice. There's plenty available and as you said we're going to be extremely light in the middle next season.
Given both are out of contract it'll surely be the case. Maybe, though worried by the recent reports that he's a big Luton fan! He wasn't even good for Rotherham, makes no sense. Yeah he's good; would cost more than the £3.5mil LeedsOrn claimed, and there'd likely be a reasonable amount of competition for him. He might also be Choudhury v2. One way or another we'll need to make a few additions.
I dont really get the hype over Patino. If he hadnt come through at a big club where everyone thinks their academy players are the next big thing, no-one would be excited about him based on this season's performances. Looked half decent against us, but gather he has been ***** for the most part all season. We probably just made him look a lot better than he is as we are even more *****. Most Blackpool fans suggest he could do with a spell in League 1 as its more his level. Davies is a more well rounded player than Choudhury, but I dont really think a lot of him and he is a player who hasnt progressed in 5 years (as with Choudhury). Would be an okay option on a cheap fee, but Id like to think our scouting team could find someone better and cheaper who has scope to improve.
There was talk from Adam Leventhal that the club were going to offer Cleverley a new contract.. Not heard anything since and nothing on Cathcart either . Who has the final say? Manga Pozzo New manager (ha ha) CG
He's only just turned 19 though - he's almost exactly the same age as our Asprilla. Asprilla had 1 goal and 2 assists in 1501 minutes for us this season (1 goal per 1501 minutes, 1 assist per 751 minutes); Patino had 2 goals and 4 assists in 2348 minutes for Blackpool this season (1 goal per 1174 minutes, 1 assist per 587 minutes). Patino also made 2.5 tackles per 90 vs Asprilla's 1.5. That seems pretty good going for a young player in a crap Blackpool team. My main reservation would probably be that pretty much all our current remaining CMs are also relatively lightweight and a distance from being the finished article (Asprilla, Kone, Louza), so I'm not sure how many more we could accommodate and it would be sensible us spending a decent amount of money on.
Stats can be used to paint a picture (especially when they are as de minimis as those) but I also value the views of fans who watch week in week out. I think a lot of Watford fans are generally positive about Asprilla, whereas Blackpool fans generally arent about Patino. The only people raving about him are arsenal fans, who have probably never seen him play outside of a 5 minute youtube comp. With Asprilla you feel like things just need to click and there is a serious player in there (e.g. he could have had 5-6 goals this season if he had a bit more luck / was more clinical). Im not sure the same could be said for Patino. Also he isnt really a profile of player we need (as you point out) and there are a lot of profiles of players we do need. Probably not the best use of our money.
Assists aren't the best way to judge a player, after all, a player can play a delicious ball like Asprilla has on numerous occasions this season, only for the striker to fluff the chance (or like Isak at Newcastle the other day, you can charge all the way from the halfway line, but if the ball gets a nick off the opposition, it doesn't count as your assist), or you can play a simple ball like Cathcart did to Sarr at West Brom and get an assist. Expected assists isn't perfect, but it's a better measure to see how creative a player is than raw assists
Midfielder then the AM/Winger templates of Asprilla/Patino. Not a perfect comparison as Asprilla has been used as an AM/Winger much more than he's played deeper and Patino has pretty much only played deeper. Both have their strengths!
I wouldn't swap them, but Patino does also seem promising. Yeah, and he wants to move for regular first team football.
Yeah maybe i am being a little harsh, I just dont necessarily think he is right for us / or we for him. Then again, I am not sure who we are right for, outside of 37 year old cloggers.
This is a really long thread that won’t be of interest to most, but I wanted to look through Manga’s time at Frankfurt. The ages are how old they were at the time of signing, some of the ages are probably off because I didn’t go days/months. Just when they signed for Frankfurt and the year they were born. The transfer fees are taken off Transfermarkt so take them with a pinch of salt. I also understand that Manga probably isn’t responsible for all these signings but as Chief Scout and Sporting Director, he would have been involved in most, if not all. I’ve looked at Position, Nationality, League signed from and Age. The purpose behind this/was to see what Manga’s preferences are when it come to signing players. I wanted to see if we could “expect” some of his traditional signings. Anyway, here it is. Frankfurt business under Manga 2016/2017 Taleb Tawatha LB 24 Israeli Maccabi Haifa €1.2mil Andersson Ordonez CB 22 Ecuadorian Barcelona SC €1mil Omar Mascarell DM 23 Spanish Real Madrid €1mil Marius Wolf RM 21 German Hannover 96 €500k loan Max Besuschkow CM 19 German Stuttgart II €100k Branimir Hrgota ST 23 Swedish Bor. M’glad Free Danny Blum LM 25 German FC Nuremberg Free Ante Rebic ST 23 Croatian Fiorentina loan Shani Tarashaj CF 21 Swiss Everton loan Jesus Vallejo CB 19 Spanish Real Madrid loan Guillermo Varela RB 23 Uruguayan Man Utd loan Michael Hector CB 24 Jamaican Chelsea loan 12 players signed Positions CB x 3 RB x 1 LB x 1 DM x 1 CM x 1 RM x 1 LM x 1 CF x 1 ST x 2 Nationality German x3 Spanish x2 Israeli x1 Jamaican x1 Croatian x1 Ecuadorian x1 Swedish x1 Swiss x1 Uruguayan x1 League German league x4 English league x3 Spanish league x2 Italian league x1 Israeli league x1 Ecuadorian league x1 Ages 16-21 x4 22-27 x8 Frankfurt finish 11th 2017/2018 Sebastian Haller ST 23 Ivory Coast FC Utrecht €7mil Jetro Willems LB 23 Dutch PSV €4.50mil Simon Falette CB 25 Guinea Metz €2.7mil Daichi Kamada CAM 21 Japanese Sagan Tosu €1.6mil Danny da Costa RM 24 German Leverkusen €1mil Jonathan de Guzman CM 29 Dutch Napoli €1mil Carlos Salcedo CB 24 Mexican Chivas €450k loan Marijan Cavar CM 19 Bosnian Zrinjski Mostar €400k Gelson Fernandes DM 31 Swiss Rennes €350k Luka Jovic ST 20 Serbian Benfica €200k loan Kevin- Prince Boateng CM 30 Ghanaian Las Palmas Free Jan Zimmermann GK 32 German 1860 Munich Free Ante Rebeic ST 24 Croatian Fiorentina loan 13 players signed Positions GK x 1 LB x 1 CB x 2 DM x 1 CM x 3 CAM x 1 RM x 1 ST x 3 Nationality German x2 Dutch x2 Croatian x1 Ivory Coast x1 Serbian x1 Japanese x1 Ghanaian x1 Swiss x1 Mexican x1 Bosnian x1 Guinea x1 League German league x2 Dutch league x2 Italian league x2 French league x2 Spanish league x1 Portuguese league x1 Japanese league x1 Mexican league x1 Bosnian league x1 Ages 16-21 x3 22-27 x6 28-33 x4 Frankfurt Finished 8th 2018/2019 Evan Ndicka CB 19 French Auxerre €5.5mil Carlos Salcedo CB 25 Mexican Chivas €5mil Ante Rebic ST 25 Croatian Fiorentina €4.5mil Lucas Torro DM 24 Spanish Real Madrid €3.5mil Goncalo Paciencia ST 24 Portuguese Porto €3mil Frederik Ronnow GK 26 Danish Brondby €2.8mil Tuta CB 19 Brazilian São Paulo €1.8mil Martin Hinteregger CB 26 Austrian Augsburg €800k loan Almamy Toure CB 22 Mali Monaco €750k Filip Kostic LM 26 Serbian Hamburger €600k loan Marius Wolf RM 23 German Hannover €500k Chico Geraldes CAM 23 Portuguese Sporting €200k loan Nicolai Muller CAM 30 German Hamburger Free Felix Wiedwald GK 28 German Leeds Free Kevin Trapp GK 28 German PSG loan Sebastian Rode CM 27 German Dortmund loan Allan DM 21 Brazilian Liverpool loan 17 players signed Positions GK x 3 CB x 5 DM x 2 CM x 1 CAM x 2 RM x 1 LM x 1 ST x 2 Nationality German x5 Brazilian x2 Portuguese x2 French x1 Serbian x1 Croatian x1 Mexican x1 Austrian x1 Malian x1 Spanish x1 Danish x1 Leagues German league x5 French league x3 English league x2 Portuguese league x2 Brazilian league x1 Danish league x1 Spanish league x1 Maxican league x1 Italian league x1 Ages 16-21 x3 22-27 x11 28-33 x3 Frankfurt finish 7th 2019/2020 Luka Jovic ST 22 Serbian Benfica €22.3mil Djibril Sow CM 21 Swiss Young Boys €14mil Martin Hinteregger CB 27 Austrian Augsburg €9mil Dominik Kohr CM 24 German Leverkusen €8.5mil Kevin Trapp GK 29 German PSG €7mil Bas Dost ST 28 Dutch Sporting €7mil Filip Kostic LM 26 Serbian Hamburger €6.3mil Dejan Joveljic ST 19 Serbian Red Star €4mil Sebastian Rode CM 28 German Dortmund €4mil Stefan Ilsanker DM 29 Austrian RB Leipzig €500k Rodrigo Zalazar CAM 19 Uruguayan Malagueno Free Erik Durm RB 26 German Huddersfield Free Andre Silva ST 23 Portuguese AC Milan Loan 13 players signed Positions GK x 1 RB x 1 CB x 1 DM x 1 CM x 3 CAM x 1 LM x 1 ST x 4 Nationality German x4 Serbian x3 Austrian x2 Uruguayan x1 Dutch x1 Swiss x1 Portuguese x1 Leagues German league x5 Portuguese league x2 Italian league x1 English league x1 Spanish league x1 French league x1 Swiss league x1 Serbian league x1 Ages 16-21 x3 22-27 x6 28-33 x4 Frankfurt finish 9th 2020/2021 Steven Zuber LM 29 Swiss Hoffenheim €3mil Andre Silva ST 24 Portuguese AC Milan €3mil Ragnar Ache ST 22 German Sparta R. €2mil Luka Jovic ST 23 Serbian Real Madrid €1mil loan Ajdin Hrustic CAM 26 Australian Groningen €1mil Amin Younes LW 27 German Napoli €750k loan Markus Schubert GK 22 German Schalke loan 7 players signed Positions GK x 1 CAM x 1 LM x 1 LW x 1 ST x 3 Nationality German x3 Portuguese x1 Swiss x1 Serbian x1 Australian x1 Leagues German league x2 Italian league x2 Dutch league x2 Spanish league x1 Ages 22-27 x6 28-33 x1 Frankfurt finish 5th 2021/2022 Jesper Lindstrom CAM 21 Danish Brondby €7mil Sam Lammers ST 24 Dutch Atalanta €3.6mil loan Jens Petter Hauge RW 21 Norwegian AC Milan €1.6mil loan Igor Matanovic ST 18 Croatian St. Pauli €500k Ansgar Knauff RW 20 German Dortmund €400k loan Jens Grahl GK 32 German Stuttgart €250k Diant Ramaj GK 20 German Heidenheim €100k Christopher Lenz LB 27 German Union Berlin Free Fabio Blanco LW 18 Spanish Valencia Free Rafael Borre ST 26 Colombian River Plate Free Enrique Herrero ST 16 Spanish Villarreal Free Kristijan Jakic DM 24 Croatian Dinamo Zagreb loan 12 players signed Positions GK x 2 LB x 1 DM x 1 CAM x 1 RW x 2 LW x 1 ST x 4 Nationality German x4 Spanish x2 Croatian x2 Colombian x1 Dutch x1 Danish x1 Norwegian x1 Leagues German League x5 Italian league x2 Spanish league x2 Croatian league x1 Argentinian league x1 Danish league x1 Ages 16-21 x7 22-27 x4 28-33 x1 Frankfurt finish 11th 2022/2023 Jens Petter Hauge RW 21 Norwegian AC Milan €8.2mil Lucas Alario ST 29 Argentinian Leverkusen €6mil Kristijan Jakic DM 24 Croatian Dinamo Zagreb €3.5mil Mario Gotze CAM 30 German PSV €3mil Hrvoje Smolcic CB 22 Croatian HNK Rijeka €2.5mil Jerome Onguene CB 24 Cameroon RB Salzburg Free Faride Alidou LW 21 German Hamburger Free Randal Kolo Muani ST 23 French Nantes Free Aurello Buta RB 25 Portuguese Antwerp Free Marcel Wenig CM 18 German Bayern Free Junior Dina Ebimbe RM 21 French PSG loan 11 players signed Positions RB x 1 CB x 2 DM x 1 CM x 1 CAM x 1 RM x 1 RW x 1 LW x 1 ST x 2 Nationality German x3 French x2 Croatian x2 Cameroon x1 Portuguese x1 Argentinian x1 Norwegian x1 Leagues German league x3 French league x2 Croatian league x2 Austrian league x1 Belgium league x1 Italian league x1 Dutch league x1 Ages 16-21 x4 22-27 x5 28-33 x2 Frankfurt currently 9th, 4 games left, 5 points off 6th Looking at Manga’s time at Frankfurt he signed 85 players Positions GK x8 RB x3 CB x13 LB x3 DM x7 CM x9 CAM x7 RM/RW x7 LM/LW x7 CF/ST x21 Nationalities German x24 Croatian x7 Serbian x6 Portuguese x5 Spanish x5 Dutch x4 Swiss x4 French x3 Austrian x3 Brazilian x2 Mexican x2 Uruguayan x2 Norwegian x2 Danish x2 Argentinian x1 Colombian x1 Japanese x1 Ghanaian x1 Cameroon x1 Bosnian x1 Malian x1 Ivory Coast x1 Guinea x1 Israeli x1 Ecuadorian x1 Jamaican x1 Swedish x1 Australian x1 Leagues German league x26 Italian league x10 Spanish league x8 French league x8 English league x6 Portuguese league x5 Dutch league x5 Croatian league x3 Danish league x2 Mexican league x2 Brazilian league x1 Israeli league x1 Ecuadorian league x1 Japanese league x1 Bosnian league x1 Swiss league x1 Serbian league x1 Argentinian league x1 Belgium league x1 Austrian league x1 Ages 16-21 x24 22-27 x46 28-33 x15 As you can see ST’s and CB’s were his two most signed positions. Germans and the German league(s) were his go to. 70 out of 85 signings were 27 or younger. That’s 82.3%! So if his track record is anything to go by, then we can definitely expect some signings from the Bundesliga, Bundesliga 2 and youth players from the top teams. Wouldn’t be surprised to see a German CB leading the line next season. These are some players from Bundesliga 2 that I could see us being interested in and I sent them to Reids. He kindly looked into all their stats for me. Ludovit Reis CM Hamburger Christoph Klarer CB Fortuna Michal Karbownik LB Brighton Shinta Appelkamp CAM Fortuna Dawid Kownacki ST Fortuna - Free Patric Pfeiffer CB Darmstadt Jakov Medic CB St. Pauli Bright Arrey-Mbi CB Bayern Robin Hack LW Bielefeld Tim Kleindienst ST Heidenheim Tim Breithaupt DM Karlsruher Bashir Humphreys CB Chelsea Ron Schallenberg DM Paderborn Jan-Niklas Beste LW Heidenheim Anyway could be a fun window if Gino lets Manga get on with his job. Got to get the manager right first though.
That's some time consuming research so thank you for sharing! Very interesting read. From my quick glance over I'd add these as potential signs to what to expect this summer; Possible the German preference was due to the fact they are German, I don't know if they have HG quotas? But obviously we do, so maybe the German heavy approach will be replaced by English heavy? The 22-27 age range is clearly a factor and so you'd guess we'll see a number of those. Lots of transfers most seasons, and as we know, we need a major overhaul. Looks like in the early years he almost bought a player for every position on the pitch. The money spent, and larger transfers happened later on in the years, so I'm guessing we are probably looking at the earlier years for the range of money to be spent? Free / loans ranging to just around the £2-3m range (and not many at the higher end) If it wasn't for the owner himself looming over it all I'd be quite excited about what we might see. Will try and ignore the owner and get behind what's going to happen, only because the optimism of a transfer window, new players and new season is part of the fun of being a football fan!
Thanks mate. It was time consuming but fun. You could well be right, I don’t know the rules in Germany in regards to HG players. If it is because of that, then as you say, hopefully we see that translate to English players who understand the championship. I remember Manga doing an interview and stating he wants players to have the “German” mentality. So I do think we will see a few Germans signed. As you say, that 22-27 age range is seems his go to, and as stated 27 and younger made up 82% of his signings. Again I agree. I think we will use the free market, use all 5 loan spots then sign another 4-5 players for under €4mil each. Oh, and I agree about Gino.
Didn't know that about him stating the 'German mentality' bit, but definitely agree with his sentiment. German players tend to do well over here don't they? Although, most of the high end German's stay over there. I guess our wages and competition level is better than their 2nd div, so we could get some of the better ones from that division.
Great post, thanks. Did you happen to do a P/L on his signings? Big assumption that he was well in the green because of some of the sales I recall. Not a problem if you didn’t.
I didn’t because the fees for players are from transfermarkt, but I can, it won’t take me long when I get a moment because I have all the numbers anyway.
These are pretty odd age categories; you can't really conclude anything from having a 22-27 age grouping when most players' peaks are about 25-29, and it doesn't seem it relates much to their thinking in signing players. To make it clearer, I've tallied the signings below by actual age (and tried to leave out some duplications). It's not hugely surprising given their reputation that the skew is towards younger players and players that are just before they are about to enter their peak years (ie mostly 23 and 24, so just before 25+). It's also notable and not too surprising that the two 32 year-old oldest signings were both GKs, as they tend to have later peaks. 16 - 1 17 - 18 - 12 19 - 1234567 20 - 123 21 - 1234567 22 - 12 23 - 12345678 24 - 12345678910 25 - 123 26 - 123456 27 - 123 28 - 1234 29 - 123 30 - 12 31 - 1 32 - 12 33 Unless those players are either youth internationals or full internationals then they currently won't get work permits.
Using Transfermarkt, so take it with a pinch of salt. Then using my math, also take with a pinch of salt, this is what I have 16/17 spent €3.8mil, made €12.05mil - Profit €8.25mil 17/18 spent €19.20mil, made €4.92mil - loss €14.28 18/19 spent €28.95mil, made €18.90mil - loss €10.05mil 19/20 spent €82.64mil, made €114.80mil - profit €32.16mil 20/21 spent €10.75mil, made €17.70mil - profit €6.95 21/22 spent €13.45mil, made €28.40mil - profit €14.95mil 22/23 spent €23.20mil, made €18.40mil - loss €4.80mi Profit €33.18mil
Good extra information and I do find some of your posts interesting. As an aside though, your comment mainly comes across as criticism. Maybe start with ‘liking’ the post, saying thanks for the obviously long amount of time someone’s put into posting something for the benefit of the rest of us and then adding in your take without the negative spin.
Based off all my research into Manga and Manga’s main man being at the B.M’Gladbach vs Bochum game today, I can see us going for one of the following Bochum Players: Keven Schlotterbeck CB on loan from Freiburg but contract expiring this summer (according to Transfermarkt). Erhan Masovic CB. Manga loves a defensive minded Serb, contract expires 2025. Takuma Asano RW/CAM. Manga wants players that will run. His output isn’t great, but with Sarr off and his contract expiring in a year, wouldn’t surprise me if we’re interested in him. As I said in the massive post earlier, Manga loves a German CB. If I was to put my house on it, I would say out of the three options above, Schlotterbeck would be my bet as to why he was at the game.
One small glimmer of light through last few years of sh1te and disappointment, is that the Pozzo's have seemed to unearth talent from South America, from Richarlison, Pedro, and Asprilla. Hopefully there is another one of two just around the corner for us to look forward to building a team around.
Going through some of the B.M’gladbach players who we could have been there to discuss today and I came across Semir Telalovic. He’s a ST, 23, playing for their B team, but again going off of Manga’s history I could see us making a move for him. Stats wise he’s having a good season for their B team. I know the championship would be a step up, however he’s the sort of cheap punt Manga likes that could work out.
