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Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by reids, Nov 7, 2022.

  1. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Since we got relegated after a single season, we only get 2 years of PP, so next season is our last season of them
     
  2. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    How do you think Asprilla would fit in to this? It's been a frustrating season in many ways for him, with 3 managers now seemingly not really fancying him (not physical enough or doesn't fit the system perhaps?)
     
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  3. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    And haven’t we already spent some of that hence taking out loans ?
     
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  4. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    ...and that's secured against loans so can't spend unless we find another way to pay off the 3rd party loans.
     
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  5. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    On loan in La Liga, probably.
     
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  6. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    I’d be worried if Sarr stays. He absolutely doesn’t want to be here, and has a year left on his contract. I’d like Pedro to stay, but would rather we took the money and rebuild.
     
  7. reids

    reids First Team

    He might do as a winger, Fariolis wingers usually don't contribute much in terms of goals but rank highly for assists, could maybe do a job there. Might suit CM if we're really looking to dominate games next season but a bit unsure on his role atm
     
  8. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    We can't use the money from selling Pedro to rebuild. If we sell we have to use the funds to address the loan.
     
  9. EnjoytheGame

    EnjoytheGame Reservist

    Hard to see how there'll be money for rebuilding when the debt is so huge. Any sales will just go to plugging the ever-widening gaps in the finances.
     
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  10. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Having read all the interview pieces I am a little more confident in what will happen, Ubenga seems to know what he is talking about and seems focused on building a squad which is stronger mentally. I think we are going to have a busy summer of ins and outs. Lets wait and see where we are at the end of September I guess.
     
  11. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    The big question is will he be allowed to do what he wants .

    I mean Duxbury probably thought he was doing that by getting Edwards in .
     
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  12. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Gotta wait and see, easy to be sceptical though given past events isnt it. I am hoping we did get investment and Ubenga coming in was one of the prerequisites.
     
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  13. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    We need a huge amount of outgoings in the summer. One of the biggest challenges will be finding clubs who want predominantly crap players who are on big money contracts. I can't see many people wanting to take on Kabasele for his £30k a week, and there are plenty more like him.
     
  14. We hate 48

    We hate 48 Reservist

    I was told -from a reliable source- £42k pw
     
  15. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Worth every penny.
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  16. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    JP, Sarr and Louza sales should bring in at least £30m. Hopefully we can get players like Kabs out on loan with the loan club paying 50% of wages. Ubenga has his work cut out for him thats for sure. Maybe we should send Ubenga a link to Reids scouting thread!!
     
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  17. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Presume the club will hope to get 30 million Pedro alone but that might be unrealistic..
     
  18. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn Reservist

    Maybe I’ll be left with egg on my face here but he has an exceedingly long contract, a lot of wealthy suitors and has had a good season that has likely appreciated his value versus last season. I’d have thought bids start at the value of Newcastle’s last year which was £30m+.

    That said, I struggle to see how we get much for Sarr given his contract situation, and though I rate Louza, I can’t see why someone would pony up more than we paid for him.
     
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  19. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Unless your reliable source is his bank manager or wife then I would take that with a pinch of salt. I have no source at all but there is now way we are paying him £42k a week
     
  20. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    His original contract was apparently worth around £30k pw, I can't imagine his moronic extension would have been much of a pay rise, in the circumstances, but who knows.
     
  21. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I still can't believe £30k a week!
     
  22. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    There are always rumours about players money but most of the time it is a guesstimate at best. I reckon Kabasele will be on around £30k but I don't know. I have only ever known two player wages with genuine knowledge behind the figures, one from about 2010 and one from last season.

    I remember talking to an agent a few years ago and asked him about the numbers that get thrown around and asked how true to reality they are given the numbers were so staggeringly high, and he said often the real numbers were actually much higher than gets rumoured.
     
  23. hornetmaster

    hornetmaster Reservist



    Not only moving players on. but doing it early as having funds late in the `window` will not give us time to find decent replacements.
     
  24. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    He's actually on £41,753.26.
    Don't ask me how I know.
     
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  25. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    We extended his contract whilst we were in a relegation battle and looking likely to go down, just another crazy decision. Could've waved goodbye to him for nothing in June 2021, yet here we are still paying him to be a bit part player years later.

    Expect he took a pay cut or had a relegation reduction clause in there but then we did have to fight off competition from Manchester United, Arsenal and others to get him to extend!

    https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/arsenal-man-utd-eye-christian-21265201
     
  26. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Enjoying imagining an alternative reality where Manchester United's starting CB partnership is Christian Kabasele and Essaid Belkalem
     
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  27. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

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  28. Dorset-Orn

    Dorset-Orn First Year Pro

    I don't think louza is suited to the championship. Lots of passing ability but no steel. If you put him in burnley squad he'd be an asset but he goes far too absent for a player we need to help dominate centre midfield (for my liking). He's like the Glen hoddle was to Bryan Robson, but we don't have anyone even remotely like a B. Robson...
     
  29. Dorset-Orn

    Dorset-Orn First Year Pro

    I don't think louza is suited to the championship. Lots of passing ability but no steel. If you put him in burnley squad he'd be an asset but he goes far too absent for a player we need to help dominate centre midfield (for my liking). He's like the Glen hoddle was to Bryan Robson, but we don't have anyone even remotely like a B. Robson...
     
  30. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I have also heard this
     
  31. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Fingers crossed there is a bidding war. Problem is we might get Gino holding out and holding out until near the end of the window meaning both Ubenga and the manager has no resources from his sale to work with at all until very late.

    Newcastle and AC Milan have been linked with him. How far could AC Milan realistically go ? £20M.
     
  32. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    The sale proceeds from selling Pedro will go to pay down the 3rd party loans. If we spend it, it's genuinely promotion or administration.
     
  33. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Given the pay-cuts they all took in the summer, that would mean Kabasele was on 60k a week. No chance.
     
  34. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Well Pozzo loves his roulette. We'll see. Fingers crossed a consortium comes in over the summer.
     
  35. WatfordTalk

    WatfordTalk First Team

    Why is £20m as far as Milan could go, when they've spent £30m+ on a player 9 times in the last 6 years?

    One of their more recent big purchases being £30m for a 21 year old attacker who scored 19 goals in 90 games in Belgium.

    JP has 20 in 73 Championship games, plus has shown himself capable in an awful PL side.
     
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