World Cup General Discussion Thread - 2030 The Jokes On You

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  1. UEA_Hornet

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    Hahaha, FIFA deserve everything they get for this.
     
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    Have they said how many tickets they've sold to the games?
     
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    Late change: Women without head coverings will be stoned and gays will be thrown from high buildings. Sorry for any inconvenience.
     
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    When Qatar get d1cked by Ecuador I predict that football will be banned in Qatar.
     
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    FIFA said almost 3m tickets had been sold up to mid-October, comparable to previous World Cups.
     
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    Hahaha! ******* brilliant, I’m starting to like Qatar, right bunch of banter merchants. I bet Elon Musk is secretly behind this whole thing.
     
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    So they're not selling Budweiser to the average fans in the stadiums now?
    Hat's off to Qatar. Saved a lot of people from drinking that utter sh*t.
     
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    But still allowed to sell Bud Zero.

    Now THAT would be desperation if someone actually wanted to drink that.
     
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    Exactly. They could leave me in the desert in sweltering heat for a few days and I’d turn down the opportunity to escape if the only offer was to drink that piss.
     
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    I’m always slightly dubious about these things, I don’t doubt Qatar have actually banned the sale of Budweiser, but the amount of publicity generated for Budweiser by them doing it is probably greater than what they would’ve got anyway.
     
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    A great series to view, explains so much and shows how deep and how far away from football this all goes.

     
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    Sounds promising. Of that 3m, wonder who the 2.8m “bought” by the Qatari state will be given to ? Expect to see lots of Ecuadorean players families in the crowd, decked out in the Qatari kit, cheering on their Qatari heroes.
     
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    If Infantino was already unlikeable this makes him even more so. Deflection tactics and pretty poor ones at that. He ought to study world history a little more closely to see that slavery which is an ongoing issue in the Middle East and trafficking of Africans into this area has been a systemic issue across the entire globe where the powerful abuse the weak or weaker states. And as for countries not representing ideologies I expect he would have been fine with South Africa under Pik Botha playing at a World Cup then.

    The man is a right winker. Running on an anti-corruption ticket ? Meet the new boss same as the old boss. Today I am a corrupt megalomaniacal multi-millionaire. Hope Ecuador have rejected the brown envelopes that have no doubt been sent their way.
     
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    Infantino is a smart man. Deflect the fact that FIFA were lied to by the hosts as part of the bid, were bribed by officials and do what all ‘leaders’ do these days and make it into a culture war against Qatar as a nation and the Muslim world in general.

    I almost don’t blame FIFA, I blame the associations that still remain members of the group. England should have been the first out the door but there’s far too much money involved for every aspect of the side - from the old farts down to the players, that they’d never do it.

    I’m sure Southgate will be trotted out to make some claim ‘that you can’t change it from the outside’ despite the fact that we’ve not changed anything in the group ever and despite having the most popular brand of football in the world and some of the best stadiums, we’ll probably end up close to 100 years before we host the World Cup again. Not weird at all.

    So Infantino is right about the hypocrisy, just not in the way he means.
     
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    I'm not so sure Infantino is a smart man. At least not as smart as he thinks he is. He's a stooge, a tool, so blinkered by his own pursuit of money and what he perceives to be power and status that he doesn't realise he's being pulled round on a lead by those who seek to use football as the next phase in a geo-political and cultural conflict.

    The fact that there's now a debate about whether certain values are 'right' or not is exactly what Qatar and others want. Same as the Russia World Cup was a key event in deflecting attention from Putin's 20-year slowly-slowly build-up to where we are now, football has consistently allowed itself to be used as a pawn while kidding itself it can be an agent of change.

    The way Qatar built the stadia is absolutely abhorrent. There's a blood stain on every seat. FIFA is complicit in that, as is every federation, as are we all, in a way. Thing is, it's done now and the genie won't go back in the bottle. Qatar didn't just win the World Cup bid overnight, it's been 15+ years in the making. I went to the Tour of Qatar cycling event in 2006 – it was a very strange week in a half-built country – and remember them saying they wanted to hold the Olympics or World Cup one day and, of course, we shook our heads and thought it was very unlikely. I remember asking someone why they wanted to host international sporting events, especially one as niche as cycling, and I was told it was to boost Qatari tourism, 'join' the world, put Qatar on the map, modernise, diversify away from gas (yeah, right!).

    Cycling, tennis, golf, swimming, F1 and many other sports have been a huge part of this process. And, as the sports governing bodies have become greedier and greedier, charging ever more for hosting rights it's become easier to make the case for holding events in places where there are serious human rights issues.

    Sport is deeply, deeply political (just google 'Bahrain 13' and ask yourself why the triathlon team Brownlee joined was called Bahrain 13) and the people who know and use sport love nothing more than when people say: "Keep politics out of sport," or, as Piers Morgan did this week, indulging in a long list of whataboutery by suggesting that if you don't hold the World Cup in Qatar you can't hold it anywhere.
     
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    That's OK then. It's respecting Qatari traditions.
     
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    Say what you want about this World Cup, at least the Qataris now have some cracking stadiums for stoning women in.
     
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    Aha.
    I knew it made sense.
    Cheers
     
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    FIFA's partners – Adidas, Coca-Cola, Wanda Group, Hyundai-Kia, Qatar Airways, Qatar Energy and VISA.

    Mmm. Not holding my breath for a sudden attack of morality. The T-Rex, Diplodocus and Stegosauras of late stage capitalist economics.
     
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    Don't you just hate being right?

    Infantino proving what an utter chump he is.
     
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    I misread this as " incontinence"!

    It's going terribly well so far isn't it?!

    "Nobody on the road.
    Nobody on the beach".
     
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    Infantino has lived in Qatar for over a year and his kids go to school there, something he and Fifa initially tried to hide. He may not have overseen the bid but he’s as much if not more in their pocket as his predecessors.
     
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    A century has passed since the World Cup’s founding father, Jules Rimet, assumed Fifa’s presidency and began setting the wheels in motion for the first tournament in 1930. Even a visionary like Rimet would have struggled to imagine the immense success and global pull that the tournament would command a hundred years later, but it is not hard to guess what he would have thought about the 22nd World Cup in Qatar.

    Rimet came from humble beginnings as the son of a grocer in a tiny village in eastern France, and he climbed the class ladder by winning a scholarship to law school. His beliefs were simple: that football should be global and inclusive, fair and respectful. In a small Parisian cafe, he co-founded a sports club called Red Star based on those principles of cooperation and equality. Red Star were rare in that they did not discriminate based on social status and included working-class players, and their football team still cherishes those roots closely today.


    As a devout Catholic Rimet was inspired by Pope Leo XIII’s Rerum Novarum, a letter issued in the aftermath of the Industrial Revolution which set out the principles of basic workers’ rights. It was in part a doctrine against exploitation, and one that resonates as strongly with 1920s France as it does the 2022 World Cup; what is exploitation if not the transformation of workers’ sweat and blood into someone else’s wealth or power. The World Cup’s origins started from a man who fought against class structure, and a century later the tournament kicks off in one of the most structured, racially divided class systems in the world, where many thousands of South Asian labourers are at the bottom of a brutally unequal society run by a few unfathomably rich sheikhs.


    You will have heard many of the allegations against Qatar 2022 by now: a brazen act of sportswashing by a young authoritarian nation trying to make waves on the global stage; a bid won by corruption, according to an investigation by the US Department of Justice (something Fifa and Qatari officials deny); miserable worker conditions not rectified; thousands of workers deaths unexplained; the oppressive Kafala system, finally abolished in 2020, strangling workers’ rights; in a country where women’s freedoms are dictated by male guardianship and homosexuality between men remains illegal. Then there is the startling lack of urgency with which Qatar has investigated the many problems raised by human rights groups over the decade or so since it embarked on the vast construction project required to host the World Cup.

    Fifa’s argument that Qatar’s migrant workers might now stride out into new sunlit uplands is a fantasy. The small progress made thus far in Qatar like the abolishment of Kafala came too late for those migrant workers who had already been exploited, and reportedly its deplorable practices remain. Notably, after the 2010 World Cup in South Africa and Brazil 2014 there was evidence of gradual improvement for workers’ rights in the construction industry, following protests in both countries. Yet in August, 60 migrant workers who protested over unpaid wages were arrested by Qatari authorities and in some cases deported, supposedly for “breaching public safety laws”; therein lies the difference between democracy and dictatorship.Rimet watched his brainchild be abused by dictatorship first-hand. The 1934 World Cup was awarded to Benito Mussolini’s Italy at a time of global financial crisis when there were few countries willing and able hosts. The Italian government assured Fifa it would underwrite any financial losses, and this proved a persuasive argument.


    Mussolini used the World Cup skilfully both as a projection of power abroad and a vehicle of propaganda at home. Posters and specially commissioned stamps flooded Italy in the build-up and Mussolini personally drummed up enthusiasm by purchasing a ticket for the opening match – that classic populist trick of presenting himself as a man of the people. He commissioned a radio documentary which heralded 16th century Italy as the true birthplace of the game so that when the Italian team lifted the World Cup in Rome, a nation rejoiced in football coming home.

    Fifa was criticised for giving fascism such a platform, and president Rimet later regretted what became an exercise of nationalist chest-beating, saying: “I have the impression it was it was not really Fifa who organised this World Cup, but Mussolini.” The tournament is said to have cost Rimet the Nobel Peace Prize when he was nominated in 1956.

    Rimet had mistakenly believed sport could transcend politics – his grandson, Yves Rimet, described him as an “idealist” – but 1934 showed that one could be weaponised by the other, especially on a global stage. Trying to unify the world around sport in a pre-globalised age brought many challenges and those early tournaments were all flawed in their own way, but perhaps this is the point: that in the 21st century the World Cup can still be exploited for political gain and can fail to meet basic expectations of humanity.


    So here we are on the eve of a tournament to be played out in glistening stadiums, mausoleums in the desert, ready to be dismantled once everyone’s gone home. On the surface will be a shiny football World Cup; look, there goes Kylian Mbappe, Lionel Messi, Cristiano Ronaldo, playing football in Qatar. But we should not forget the values of Jules Rimet, whose name bestows the trophy which famous footballers will lift in Doha on 18 December. Égalité, this is not. As the tournament blooms in the winter sun, know it was sown in dirty soil and grown by bloodied hands.
     
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    When is it ? It must be coming up soon. This side of Xmas wasn't it ? Surprised it's not been mentioned in the media.
     
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    I think he's a man in the paid pocket of Qatar. Certainly not smart in any way.
     
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    The rest of the paragraph describes what I mean by smart in relation to him and how that actually links to what you describe. In isolation, the comment is relatively meaningless.
     

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