Rob Edwards Sacked

This.

 

If only we were a well run mid table Prem club with a long-standing manager, the analogy might make a degree of sense then.

 

I can’t share the excitement unfortunately and it makes me sad. If the ship is righted financially and we play good football with a long term plan and have integrity in the boardroom (Bayat either cleared or ties severed) in three years (even if all in the championship) then I would love to admit I am wrong.

As it stands I go to Watford and go through the motions.

 

Obviously we don’t like some of the things our owners apparently do but since I have been following the hornets
The owners have been, Jim Bonsor, Sir Elton John, Jack Petchey, Sir Elton John (again), Graham Simpson and the Rosso’s, Lawrence Bassini and now the Pozzo’s, after Elton John none of the previous owners come anywhere close to what the current owners have achieved! To want them out is plain folly!

 

I’d genuinely suggest Charlton’s 5 year prospects are better than ours, given what Pozzo has done to us financially.

 

Our debt has never been worse?

 

Ok let’s bookmark this and see where Charlton and us are in 5 years time, I know who my moneys on to be in better shape!

 

Sure sounds fair.

 

So this whole thread in the last couple of hours is based on absolutely nothing?! Do people really want the club to fail in an attempt to get a new owner? Jesus wept

 

You call fans oddballs in the same post as wanting your club to fail. Sorry but that is odd in itself

 

Club has already failed and is in peril due to Pozzo. Financially, ethically and culturally. The odd thing is so many of our fans don’t even realise it. Even interviews like Gosling’s are dismissed with “wow that’s bad but they have changed now”. Our fans are unbelievable.

 

I have tickets for the first four matches. Have a pass for Preston away, the first match of the caretaker after Rob spends the autumn with his family.

 

Yep, pretty much.

 

Agreed, this idea that Gino is going to sell up in the near future is pure fantasy. Just like the idea that Elton Is going to reinvest in the club . He’s here for the long Haul . He believes in what he’s doing and that he can establish Watford in the premier league . I think those thinking somehow we can force the owner out are somewhat misguided.

 

Matters not if I like or dislike an owner, I could never want my club to fail. I was on the pitch for the Grimsby game trying to get Petchey out but at no point did I ever want us to lose

 

We are already for sale according to insiders no?

 

Your club has already failed across numerous metrics. Financially (accounts). The culture is rancid (Gosling). Ethically (Bayat is facing financial crime charges yet is embedded in the club). What more evidence do you need??

 

If we get someone with seriously deep pockets then yes. The Pozzos aren’t that rich, compared to PL owners

 

Still doesn’t make me want my club to fail. If that happens then that’s football all over for me

 

There are no guarantees on that though

 

Well clearly we're very different.

 

Yeah that’s where I am. Pozzo has resulted in football being over for me. We have already failed. Beating Sheff Utd doesn’t change that.

 

Once more for those who are hard of reading - barely anyone, if anyone at all, has forgotten the success the Pozzo’s brought. Just some don’t think that success should have been achieved at the costs it has - in their opinion. And many think the days of allowing them to trade on those past glories have been hugely eroded over the past couple of years.

Some don’t think the above - as is totally their right too.

But the ‘remember what the Pozzo’s have done for us’ argument has been done to death because very, very few people have denied that.

 

Can I ask what is different between now and 2010 for example? Not that I don't agree with some of your post (distance has "comforted" increased apathy for Watford), but in 2010 we were in financial mire and playing dire football. Is it the promise (or lack thereof) or the fact that we tasted the forbidden fruit and are now so far from it that it seems like a myth to us?

 

Yeah. Mostly limited football around that time . I remember some promise in Malkay time but other than that a few years of glumness. Always felt we had integrity though, no matter how poor we fared. You are right though, maybe the taste of premier league and the frustration at what we have wasted has an impact.

i just feel now we are a vessel for a bunch of people with low integrity. If I hadn’t previously supported Watford for 20 years I would look on us as a horrible vile little club these days. I find it so hard to summon any feeling for us anymore and didn’t have that problem in 2010. Maybe it’s just me,

 

Welcome back Malts..
Genuinely.
It’s great to hear your positive self again..

I’m sure your sentiment is echoed by many ‘000’s of Watford fans, including me.

As for those wishing to get rid of our ‘vile’ owner...
Be careful what you wish for..
The grass may look greener but only because it’s been covered in sh*t...
etc
And what have the Pozzos ever done for us, other than the aqueduct...?

 

It mostly just sounds like you've been turning in to a drama queen.

"If we drift to 12th as I expect"

You mean you expect us to finish 12th this season?!

 

It's definitely not just you, Uncle Ron is a testament to that. As for the integrity back in those days, I think we looked like we had integrity and in reality behind the scenes did not. Hence why we were a mess at boardroom level prior to Bassini and even more once he arrived. It's magnified with Gino in charge and the lack of communication has not helped.

I look back to a few years ago where we'd defend the managerial carousel and a few other things instinctively; now I can't muster that because I know that the club isn't right with that (amongst other things like the supposed treatment of Hughes, if true) leaving such a sour taste in my mouth

 

Were you making these sort of complaints when we were winning promotion for the first time under the Pozzos?

I've also been a Watford fan for over 20 years and still easily remember when even mid-table Championship mediocrity felt like a good result.

 

Depends on Sarr and Dennis. Keep one of them I expect playoffs. Sell both could easily see us lower than 12th.

 

Yes, we've had Bassini as an owner but somehow were a club with more integrity in the past?!

I wonder if the fact that all the bits of information on the club are increasingly available, discussed and dissected on social media and internet message boards such has this one has just made people more conscious of the type of shady crap which has likely always existed but most fans were previously clueless/in the dark about.

 

No. First 6 years up to Silva felt like a wonderful time full of forward momentum and positivity. Even the Sannino mid table season. Something changed at end of Silva and even the cup final year. Can’t put my finger on it.

 

The team lost momentum and burned out, the players who had got us to the PL and helped us to stay there for a bit were on the decline and not replaced adequately. This sort of thing can happen in football.

Look at Sheffield Utd under Wilder - loads of momentum on promotion and took the PL by storm first season. Then only a season later a couple of key injuries, some poor signings, and an overworked relatively old squad suddenly fell with a whimper to bounce around in the Champ again.

Such momentum can be difficult to sustain, and an FA Cup final and 11th place finish is something which a club like ours will always struggle to get beyond anyway.