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Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Moose, Sep 29, 2021.

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Who do you want as the next Tory party Leader

  1. Rishi Sunak

    7 vote(s)
    63.6%
  2. Lizz Truss

    4 vote(s)
    36.4%
  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I have wondered a number of times today whether someone has trawled footage over the last few days to find this video.....or has someone been sat on it for a whole year just waiting for the 'perfect' time to drop it?
     
  2. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I suspect it is the latter. The obvious motive is to damage Johnson and the government's credibility.

    But it also undermines the message on covid restrictions. It's been apparent for a few days that "plan b" was on it's way. This is perfect ammunition for the "libertarians" to promote the message "if they don't keep to the rules then why should I?".

    It will be telling if the source of the footage is ever found but it wouldn't surprise me if it is someone who is on the anti-vaccine side of the argument.
     
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  3. ForzaWatford

    ForzaWatford Squad Player

    On calling for Boris to resign, it just doesn’t make political sense does it? BJ is becoming one of labours biggest assets agent he next election if he stays. Sadly I think Rishi would mean they win easily again.
     
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  4. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Sunak has little substance. He’s easy on the eye, a hero when giving out free money or meals, but on the stump he would be brittle.

    Boris is a winner and without him the whole loose new Tory thing falls apart, Brexit falls apart etc etc.

    Boris needs to go because he could easily win again. So many boomers have invested so much in him.
     
  5. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Sunak could win a General Election if he made it clear he would clear the decks - Raab and Pritti Patel nowhere to be seen - but how does he square that within the party and without the power of being an 'elected by the electorate' PM? General Election yes, but could he even win a leadership battle first? I'm not so sure.

    It could well be the Sunak is the early favourite - that would get overtaken by someone else promising to keep the status quo. Can't lose sight of just how much Johnson won their leadership battle by.
     
  6. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

  7. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Amazing to see that this characterless, spineless, shameless halfwit ever became PM in the first place. Reflects very badly on the electorate. Thick as mince most of them and with the memory span of a goldfish. No wonder the politicians always feel so comfortable.
     
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  8. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    He got Brexit done. He has that to his credit. Not sure that this is something for the left or anyone else to celebrate. Far as I can tell, it is the right that has done this to him, and it is all a part of trying to draw the Government further to the right.

    Boris, in my opinion, is paying for being the front man of the most left leaning tory Government ever, and this fiasco is only going to make it easier for those further to his right (which, to be fair, is relatively moderate, and demonstrably liberal) to get their way in the scheme of things. Maybe it will turn out OK. Maybe it won't.
     
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  9. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I don’t think the gambit of Starmer remaining the serious person as a contrast to Johnson is a bad one. At some point the joke wears thin with a clown like Johnson.
     
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  10. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    Yes, I agree. But, as I said a few weeks ago, if the Tories replace the clown with a more serious contender before the next election then the Tory faithful will return and Labour will be back to square one.

    My prediction remains that Johnson will be gone in the new year and the woes of these last few years will be blamed on him and his administration by the "new" Tory Government.

    It is a playbook that they have used successfully so many times before that I have little doubt it will work again.
     
  11. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

     
  12. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    So why has Allegra Stratton fallen on her sword but none of the others in the room (such as Ed Oldfield) have done so?
     
  13. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    Rookery Mike sums it up perfectly on his Twitter. The tories are a disgrace who only serve themselves. The sooner the electorate wake up and smell the coffee the better.
     
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  14. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    So the Met police won't investigate the alleged parties at Downing Street due to lack of evidence?

    I thought the whole point of a police investigation is to gather evidence. Do the police only carry out an investigation if they already have enough evidence to prosecute any allegation now? If so, what is the point of the police?
     
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  15. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    She is a sacrificial lamb, the thing is her resignation confirms that the party happened as why would you resign over something that didn't occur? The Tories have basically trod on a rake akin to Sideshow Bob by letting her resign.
     
  16. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Best episode ever.
     
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  17. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Oh God, not this “everyone is thick” line again. It really is quite offensive.
     
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  18. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  20. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    There’s a paragraph I thought I’d never read. Are they doing a FTRE Political Special? I’d love to know how Leventhal feels about Plan B.
     
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  21. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I agree. People are not generally thick.

    However I would say that many (most?) people are not aware of the political processes in this country which is a failing of our education system. It should be a compulsory subject at school.

    I would also argue that many (most?) people are not politically engage to any serious degree. I don't blame them. The politicians and modern politics are not the most inspiring things at the moment. I think PMQs is the perfect example of what is wrong with UK politics and why many (most?) people are turned off by it.
     
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  22. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    It is the surest way to have people double down on their choices.
     
  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    "Sources suggest the owners are happy with Plan B and have no plans to strengthen restrictions in January. However, if the right variant comes along they might be tempted into the market. Rumours that Josh Doig will form part of the government's plan are though believed to be wide of the mark."
     
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  24. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    I wouldn't count on it. When he gets asked about pensioners with troubles, and those who have to look after their disabled family members who are having benefits cut, he frequently ignores the question and starts talking about investment in jobs. Whether that behaviour definitely gets him over the line, I'm not so sure.
     
  25. Half of the population are of below-average intelligence.
     
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  26. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

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  27. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Tories fined 18k by the Electoral Commission as report shows that previous report by Boris pal was cobblers. Of course Boris new precisely who paid for the renovations.

    And yes many of these issues, the flat, the endless paid for holidays, the three parties under investigation are small beer in themselves. So stop lying about them. Until Boris understands that standards matter this will rumble on.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-59591917
     
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  28. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    ITV News has just reported on the birth of Boris’s second child.

    In 18 years time, Boris: no sweetheart, we didn’t keep any of the newspapers from the day your were born, sorry.
     
  29. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

  30. Telegraph reporting that Lord Geidt considering his position as ****ybollox' Standards Advisor in light of Electoral Commission evidence that he was lied to by said ****ybollox.
     
  31. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Let's hope this one doesn't look like Zac Goldsmith.
     
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  32. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    What award did you get?
     
  33. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    "Owner of most content cat"
     
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  34. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

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  35. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Murky business for De Pfeffel as he 'attempts to lay a cable' with one of his Russian full British Citizen pals.

     
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