Middle Class Save The Planet\earth Types

Discussion in 'Politics 2.0' started by Davy Crockett, Oct 16, 2021.

  1. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Whilst I am in agreement generally with what the loft insulation mob are protesting about there is a part of me that thinks " hey, are you for real ?" ( Cui bono )
    So we have affluent middle class types stopping ambulances etc and "ordinary" working class types
    dragging them off the streets etc stopping their right to protest ?
    This is dangerous because who will benefit from no more protests ?
    Affluent middle class types ? Or those at the bottom ?
    #EtonRifles
     
  2. Not taking him off ignore for this. I'm sure it's a load of bitter Working Class Hero w*nk though. Something about "the future of the working classes' children is going to be bleak anyway, so saving the planet is purely a middle class obsession for their silver spoon kids".
     
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  3. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    No. Saving the planet has nothing to do with these crusties.

    If the Conservative Government, their actual target, were to do everything that the campaigning demanded, the world would not be saved.

    They are just complaining about the fact that the public voted Conservatives into power, like they complained about the public voting for Brexit, and complained about the referendum being acted upon.

    They are just angry crusties who can't stand the fact that the world is turning, and who, in the same way remainers are desperate for Brexit to fail, are desperate for climate disaster to happen, so they can say they were right. Their campaigning is nothing more than taking out their own frustrations on the public.

    And do you not tire of your, putting him on ignore, taking him off ignore and only took him off ignore and it wasn't worth it, schtick? Just admit you read it all, but do not reply because you have no response, unless it is a stream of expletives, hatred or some rank twitter post by a mad lefty. It appears to be your version of sitting in the middle of the M25.

    No one gives a damn who you say you have on ignore, especially when you make it clear you are not ignoring them.
     
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  4. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Like I care if some old marxist bel..nd has me on ignore
    Enjoy Labours eternal opposition. You are part of the problem
     
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  5. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Let’s be clear that occupying top spot in the climate hypocrite challenge right now is the Royal Family. Lecturing the World from one of their many over heated palaces, each with the carbon footprint of a medium sized village. Opening a school fete? Where’s one’s helicopter?

    Marina Hyde asked if this Queen who was ‘irritated’ by lack of action by World leaders was the same Queen whose lawyers very recently lobbied the Scottish government in secret to change a draft law to exempt her private estates from a major carbon-cutting initiative ? Yes. Yes, it is the same Queen. As a result of this, the sovereign is the only landowner in the whole of Scotland who doesn’t have to facilitate renewable energy pipelines on her various estates in the country.
    https://www.theguardian.com/comment...anet-helicopter-queen-charles-william-climate
     
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  6. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I’ve got to say Davy that you are part of the problem using ‘Marxist’ as a derogatory term for liberals.

    How is Labour to do anything socialist if people put the hate on all things socialist and use it for things it is not?

    The Stinky Rebellion people are annoying, but generally those types who are ready to go to prison for environmental, anti-war, animal rights stuff are not hot off the pages of Tatler. They are usually concerned or trouble types, often working class loners, odd middle class folk. I don’t agree with the tactics, but it’s not a luvvy-in.
     
  7. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    The real problem there is the miss-use of the term Liberals to describe Marxists, trying to give the impression that these sad, strange people are not of the revolution

    These people are anti capitalist marxists and they are proud of it, even if others among their brethren would rather disown them, as has been attempted above.

    They were probably being breast fed at Greenham back in the eighties, and yes, I know they would have been in their teens.
     
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  8. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    GOBE = Marxist bell**d :)
     
  9. Is that what he said? Brilliant. Or is that your take? Brilliant anyway.
     
  10. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Dont worry not my take. Was funny though.
     
  11. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Not even a month and you lot are trying to get it closed again. Please don't, it's actually very good reading since it re-opened.
     
  12. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    @Moose: put him on ignore for a week and see how you feel.
     
  13. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    He's had me on ignore for a week and I feel much better.
     
  14. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    I don’t think it’s a bad idea for a thread. It just got off on the wrong foot. I’ve no need to ignore Davy.
     
  15. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    Yeah. but Moose .you know as well as I do that the new liberal is not the same as the old laissez-faire liberal. And you know full well as I do that those demanding Govt subsidies for insulation are . cough.
    owners of more than one property.
     
  16. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Reservist

    And all you middle class Marxist bellends that have me on ignore , or so you say , people are dying because they don't have enough to eat . No one cares about your issues .
     
  17. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team

    People are dying and many millions more will die because they don't have enough to eat because of climate change.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-58303792

    But do they not matter because they are far away?
     
  18. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    It is a horrendous emergency, and it requires a world wide response.

    But please note, it is the worst drout in "four decades". Crap like this happens regularly, always has and always will.

    Reporting it as a climate emergency does the cause no favours, as it is clearly undermined by reality, and though it may further convince those in no need of convincing, it also provides nay sayers with a legitimate argument to say that climate activists are twisting the facts.

    It is an horrific famine, driven by horrendous drout. But it is not proof of rampant climate change, because it has happened before.
     
  19. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    Given that the UK contributes less than one per cent of total global emissions, does anybody really think that schemes like insulating 90,000 homes, Sadiq's latest insane low emission zone tax, growing your own rhubarb etc etc is going to make a scrap of difference? Climate change is the biggest bore of all time and the relentless, one-sided and, at times, hysterical coverage of the problem is sending young people round the bend.
     
  20. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    Yes, these are very good ideas.

    Given UK energy insecurity, cost to consumers and domestic pollution, insulation is a very good idea even without considering global warming.

    As for tackling the latter, sure, China and the US emit far, far more than we do, but they can’t reduce theirs without us reducing ours or we get an economic advantage. And as part of a group of First World producers collectively we produce a lot.

    We are past the point when having an alternate viewpoint presented by schmucks like Nigel Lawson on behalf of polluters is required. Plenty of balance is provided by the continued advertisements for over consumption.

    And Rhubarb needs no bigging up from me. Lovely in a crumble.
     
  21. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    I agree with you re rhubarb crumble
     
  22. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

  23. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    No one event will prove climate change. The climate is incredibly complex. In a single year, you might cut emissions by a quarter, but there could be more carbon in the atmosphere, based on ice melting, trees dying, sea heat etc.

    The key is to look at the overall trend. A huge amount of scientific consensus, from different countries, different political systems etc. shows that events like these will be a lot more common if everybody not drastically reverse our current path. And it's a hypothesis that is backed up by strong evidence.

    I actually for once completely agree with Moose. I see why people might be annoyed at pumping money into pie in the sky emissions ideas. But stopping poorer people being cold in their own homes, or stop them wasting so much money on energy that just goes straight through the walls, whilst reducing carbon, seems a bit of a slam dunk. Probably should be means tested though.
     
  24. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    I totally agree with you. That's why I wish people didn't think unneeded drama is required to tell the story.

    Like I say, why make an argument that can easily be rebutted, like recurring drouts, when there is far more compelling evidence out there.

    The BS undermines the truth, and makes the job of denying it so much easier.
     
  25. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc First Team


    Given that the UK is less than 1% of the world population - yes it is important.

    Do you suggest everyone except the USA and China don't do anything? UAE is only a small proportion of world emissions,less than the UK.

    If all the 200 nations who only contribute asmall amount to world emissions do nothing, the USA and China will just say they are only a quarter or whatever of the emissions so why should they change if the rest of the world isn't?

    You could extens it further and say any state in the USA is only 2%, whats the point of them reducing emissions?
     
  26. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

    That's pretty much what they have been saying for years. The big 4 polluters - China, the USA, Russia and India - aren't prepared to sacrifice economic growth to eliminate emissions. Actually, only a handful of countries have made a legally binding commitment to net zero - we're one of them. Unfortunately, the UK Government has no idea how much achieving net zero by 2050 will cost the nation - but you can bet that whatever the estimated figure is the final bill will come in way north of that. Our policy will bugger up the country for ever and it's utterly pointless without buy-in from the big-emitters.
     
  27. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

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    Moose First Team Captain

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    Moose First Team Captain

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  30. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    Yeah that made me giggle as well.

    You wouldn't think that when he and Mike Parry presented a show on Talksport a few years later Parry would appear the slightly less insane one.
     
  31. HenryHooter

    HenryHooter Reservist

    Another case of someone making a stupid argument when there are plenty of good ones to hand. But then, Mike Graham is as much of a loon as the M25 crusties.

    The only problem with Insulate Britain is their tactics, which are far more important to them than their alleged cause. They are all about disruption and anti government rhetoric. An intelligent interviewer could destroy their arguments, but one trying to make them look stupid will only end up showing how stupid they themselves are.
     
  32. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    I agree with their message not necessarily with their tactics, having that said that a protest needs to cause inconvenience to be effective otherwise it can be ignored.

    They do lose alot of sympathy as it's not affecting decision-makers, that's where protests should be aimed.
     
  33. Lloyd

    Lloyd Squad Player

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  34. Eric IS Bananman

    Eric IS Bananman Academy Graduate

    Looks like activism does work, the government have performed a U turn on the Lords amendment on the dumping of untreated sewage.

    Problem is, it's been going on for years and will continue by stealth.
     
  35. Moose

    Moose First Team Captain

    The Government shows how to make its supporters who have been spewing their own effluent all over social media and forums in defence of its behaviour pretty silly.

    But you are right, not a U turn to be trusted.
     
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