Rising Prices

I'm not talking about the laws, I'm talking about the actual conditions offered. Even if employers provide the bare minimum standards according to the laws, the workers don't have to accept them and take the job. I believe Rumanians will accept poorer conditions than British workers and are far less likely to try and take the employers through tribunals, etc, and that is why the employers are were not forced to improve conditions.

As I said, it is entirely obvious to me, and fundamental to recruitment.

You seem to be upset that I am "blaming" the EU! I'm not blaming the EU for intentionally driving down standards on this aspect at all as the fundamentals of recruitment apply everywhere, it is just that the EU has countries (the newer members) where the local workforce is paid far less and the conditions are far worse than local French, German, British and Dutch, would accept.

 

I think you’re maybe confusing illegal working practices with actual working practices?

We have minimum standards of pay, hours, breaks, holidays etc. Most of which comes from EU law in the first place.

 

And right here, Laadeez and Genulmen, is the rub . "Minimum standards" which are now the norm .
Cos Big Boss say why do I want to pay you more than I am legally required to do ?
And if you don't like it there plenty arriving on these shores on a dinghy as we speak who will.

#VoteLabour

 

You’ve missed the point, not for the first time.

 

The race to the bottom you mean ?
Well done then
You have won

#VoteForTheNewMiddleClassLabour

 

I'm not confusing anything whatsoever, it is your total lack of understanding. I've tried explaining what I mean, and it is so obvious, I'm not going to try again.

 

Unfortunately some people live in "nice" areas and think that the world that they see through their "lens" is the real world .
They don't see a minibus picking up foreign workers, probably on minimum wage at best
probably taking them back to their digs owned by their employer. They don't see the exploitation
of workers from outside these shores . Caused by the "race to the bottom" from EU laws
#VoteLabour

 

Sources, please.

 

Again, the phrase ‘minimum wage at best’ suggests you’re talking about illegal working practices, not actual working practices.

 

If it's the hero of The Alamo you are replying to, I'd imagine Whose Side Are You On by Billy Bragg or possibly series 2 ep 4 of Citizen Smith.

 

With my own eyes .
If you think this doesn't happen then at best you are naive, at worst
A person who should really take a long hard look at them self in the mirror

 

Yeah cos Bazza you are such a "decent" person that you will disregard what is going on in front
of you regardless of the human misery, if your political leanings are compromised.
Evil is the best word here

 

Oh FFS . A fanboy of minimum wage I see . The race to the bottom

 

Time to put the bottle down DC.

 

The bottle is down ,son .
I care about those who are struggling .
Clearly you love "minimum" wage .
Well done
You are a hero

 

Davy is one of those hilarious Lexiteers who is so driven by class hatred that he doesn't really care if everybody is poorer because of brexit, especially those people he fantasises that he champions, so long as the Liberal Elite cry salty Remoaner tears because "they can't get cheap au-pairs or get served macchiato by a downtrodden Italian barista".

 

It's funny how it's all seemingly gone topsy turvy on here. Some unlikely souls are strangely defending, and worse denying, poor working conditions, desperately trying to defend the EU (even though I've explained it is circumstances, not the EU, to blame). And the others (of the further right variety) are recognising them and wanting them improved.

It's a great time to be going to bed. I'll sleep soundly tonight.

Nite, nite.

 

So it's "Source: trust me, bro", then.

Hitchens's Razor it is.

 

S'funny that Bazza . The only one banging on about au pairs and what not is you
But not one word about exploitation
Actually it's not funny at all is it ?

 

Ok
Exploitation of workers does not happen in your world . Fine .

 

Literally no one in this thread said that. No one.

 

Just for the record .
I am not "further right"
Just old school labour\trade unionist

 

So we are both agreed exploitation of workers takes place but you want a "source" ?
Huh ?

 

"They don't see a minibus picking up foreign workers, probably on minimum wage at best
probably taking them back to their digs owned by their employer. They don't see the exploitation
of workers from outside these shores . Caused by the "race to the bottom" from EU laws"

Is not the same thing as saying

"Workers are exploited".

What you're being asked is to prove these minibuses exist, prove they go to digs owned by their employer, prove they are "on minimum wage at best", and prove it's caused by EU laws.

 

So you are saying it doesn't happen then ?

 

The fact that you are playing dumb and continually avoiding the very reasonable request for sources/evidence says it all, I think.

But hey, let's play this game.

Old school Labour/trade unionists are responsible for all UK based organised paedophile rings and run operations out of chippies located around the north of England.

No one denies paedophile rings exist so it must be true, right?

 

I am sure your right, I have not checked it all out, I was listening to the German logistics expert of Radio 4. What he said was that Germany relied on east European drivers, because for German nationals HGV driving was unattractive due to relative pay, conditions, etc.

Before January we were fully integrated into the logistics of the single market. With EU nationals driving goods to from their economy to ours. That smoothed out the shortages in the Uk. But I suspect the UK HGV workforce has been suppressed for many years due to similar factors to those present in Germany. BREXIT for us has been a cliff edge. For example I doubt Germans are queuing for fuel. And consumer goods will be available at Christmas!

 

I really didn't expect this pro Brexit argument from you and Sydney.

Now the pay is better, and employers are less able to exploit lower paid drivers from the continent, perhaps this guy will go back to driving and be better appreciated.

The argument he is making, and which you have presented here, is exactly that being made by Conservatives and Brexiteers.

Well done you two.

 

Classic Hooter again, Poundland reverse psychology.

That article doesn’t once mention wages, so how does your argument stand up?

He’s mostly going on about parking and working hours, the latter being the very nature of the job.

 

Thy don't see modern day slavery as practiced, openly, in modern Britain.

#LeicesterVotesLabour

 

The PM this morning: "I wonder if our neighbouring countries would be interested in some sort of arrangement where people can move freely to live and work where they are needed? Only lorry drivers and poultry workers of course. And even they can **** off back home on Christmas Eve."

 

Except we’ve had eleven years of Tory Government now. Do you even pause to think before you write?

 

Classic "attack the poster, not the argument" from a19. The guy mentions conditions, by calling out abuse, and improving conditions, including pay, for UK drivers is a current key argument from Conservatives and Brexiteers.

It is bemusing that you are choosing to criticise others on a subject you clearly have no knowledge or understandin of. That is not an insult. It is a deduction based on the lack of knowledge and understanding you have chosen to display in the post you make above.

 

“I tried it for 30 years, but I could just never go back you couldn’t pay me enough”

Seems pretty simple to understand to me.

 

Again. Labour have not been in charge these last eleven years. Do you really think Labour members approve of exploitation? People who supported Corbyn or the unions back exploitation?

What those on the left have always argued is that our existing employment laws are enforced, which demand fair competition and advertising for work, to demand work is done through PAYE etc.

When have I or other left wing people ever argued for lower pay? Normally it’s the right arguing that such pay and benefits are unsupportable, Labour Party recklessness with the economy.