Covid-19 Virus

Christ, the anti-vaxxers nearly breached the former BBC television centre today in a protest against the BBC.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/aug/09/confused-anti-vaccine-protesters-storm-bbc-hq-years-after-moved-out

 

Good old Piers!

 

Among the individuals outside was Piers Corbyn, the brother of the former Labour party leader, who was recorded on one live stream as saying “we’ve got to take over these bastards”

Fantastic stuff.

 

The man hates Loose Women. He’s living his best life.

 

FML. Imagine a World where Jeremy isn’t even the maddest Corbyn.

 

What a great job his parents did.

 

Piers and his mob were in Norwich yesterday. They started outside my opticians business…..they weren’t picking on me by the way!
Many highlights and laughs, main ones being piers carrying a Waitrose bag, the 3 coppers who were keeping an eye on them laughing when he was ranting about police brutality and the best was an older very posh woman who stepped away from the protest to pop in and buy a very expensive pair of specs!
It was all hugely entertaining and way more people laughing at them than there were demonstrating

 

News from Germany that a **** up led to up to 8000 people getting injected with saline rather than the vaccine.

 

Might be deliberate, maybe politically motivated, rather than a **** up.

 

Told you.

 

Tsk. Everyone knew that.

 

Intetesting.

Helpful to clarify that Steve Bruce thinks many footballers believe the conspiracy theories not that he believes the conspiracy theories - he says to get the jab

 

My experience has been that the older generations are the most likely to go in for the conspiracy theories.

Most of the younger people I know who haven't got it are paranoid about possible unknown side effects rather than outright conspiracists.

 

It probably put them off when their doses of the Slazenger vaccine turned up in a Sports Direct van.

 

I have a fake facebook account that I use in part to friend up with conspiracy theorists of all types. These lunatics are mostly women in the 30 to 40 year old bracket from what I've witnessed.

EG 4 hours ago:

 

Deranged, lying lunatic. Her, not you.

Half the problem with social media accounts is you don't know whether or not an individual account is a bot.

So many fake profiles around. I just assume everyone is a bot unless they prove otherwise now!

 

Deranged, lying lunatic. Her, not you.

Half the problem with social media accounts is you don't know whether or not an individual account is a bot.

So many fake profiles around. I just assume everyone is a bot unless they prove otherwise now!

 

Deranged, lying lunatic. Her, and you.

Half the problem with social media accounts is you don't know whether or not an individual account is a bot.

So many fake profiles around. I just assume everyone is a bot unless they prove otherwise now!

 

I’ve defiantly noticed this.

 

There is a definitely a lot of truth in that, a friend was telling me one of her work colleagues is a total anti vax nut. She does data entry for a freight company, 36 and got 3 kids, but tells everyone she’s involved with a secret government project that shows the vaccine is dangerous. Apparently she can’t talk about it because it’s highly top secret, but can talk about it to the extent that she gives away the supposed main element of it. This is of course also the same government who are desperately trying to get the jab in as many arms as possible. Total nut job.

It’s definitely the ones who don’t have a lot going on in their lives and spend too much time on Facebook.

 

Yes and I’d expect also to find a large number of these lady loons are involved in complementary health professions.

They are the foot soldiers for the ‘intellectual’ leaders of their movement, the Ickes, Corbyns and Right Said Fred.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/08/20/righ...ith-covid-but-still-refuses-vaccine-15126800/

 

To be fair, I thought the whole point of looking after yourself in general was to avoid getting ill at all. For example not smoking prevents smoking related diseases, keeping fit prevents heart disease etc. and keeping your teeth clean prevents gum disease.

And I thought that those who have mostly been seriously affected by Covid were those who already had serious medical conditions already such as lung cancer and heart problems.

So saying anyone is a bit much, but looking after yourself will help towards preventing serious illness from Covid.

 

No need for a fake account - lots of people use dating websites these days. It's nothing to be ashamed about

 

Her logic is that the risk to her from covid is minimal, and she is most likely, to an extreme extent, correct. Her opinion seems to have been arrived at with perfect logic and understanding of the risks. The only disconcerting element to it, and even that is moot, is the risk that if she gets it, she may pass it on to someone more vulnerable.

Frankly, as a health professional at relatively low risk from covid, given the option of building immunity by catching it or getting the jab, I would have preferred to have caught it. I got the jab more because it is reassuring to my colleagues and patients, and less because I was worried about catching the the disease. Give me a natural process every time, where the risk is so slender.

 

From my understanding it is safer (taking everything into consideration) to get the jab than not, even for someone that isn't 60+ years old. And her reasons for not getting the jab seem to be nonsensical.

So I don't think she has "perfect logic and understanding" at all.

 

Fair enough.

Which bits of her reasoning do you think are illogical and lacking in understanding? And why do you have so much confidence in the hopes (the vaccines would still be considered under trial and experimental in any other circumstances) that there are no yet to be identified long term risks for those taking them? The longest studies can only be around a year old at the moment.

My reasoning for taking it is, firstly, peer preasure, secondly, that we are all in it together, and thirdly, there are promising initial findings. But I certainly do not count out the risk of long term side effects.

 

Further to above, it is pretty much a fact that people who do look after themselves, avoiding life style choices that cause heart, lung, diabetic, etc., morbidities are better suited to coping with covid. Even for people in their seventies, eighties and nineties. Unless this woman was stating she was immune to the diesease (starkly different to what she is quoted as saying - "a strong immune system", which implies being immune to the effects), her logic really does appear to be pretty flawless on this.

I see it as very positive that people have confidence in themselves and in nature. But don't get me wrong. If she was in her seventies, I would recommend she go for the vaccine.

 

It is illogical to base a decision not to take the vaccine on the basis of what is known, even though research is incomplete. Research on this sort of research can never be complete. What is "long term"? One year, 2 years, 5, 10,25, 30? If someone wants to find reasons not to take it, they always can.

And vaccine technology used by AZ has been used and tested for decades.

Also, if there is only short-term research on the effects of vaccines, there is similarly only short-term research on the effects of covid?

So what logical justification has she got for suggesting she is safer getting the virus than taking the vaccine? There is no logic at all.

Yes, the reasons she has given are valid parameters to consider, but the wealth of research on both the virus and the vaccine is that she is more at risk by not taking it.

Yes there is logic (if you believe that research on covid after a year is totally reliable, but research on the vaccine, wouldn't be) in thinking that being healthy with a stronger immune system is likely to help fight the virus. But to what extent? The is absolute evidence that fit and healthy people have and are currently suffering terribly from the virus, are suffering from long-covid, or have died from covid, and have passed it on to other people. To rely on personal fitness has been proved to be illogical.

Finally, you acknowledge that you are a vaccine sceptic (maybe an anti-vaxxer), and wouldn't recommend a fit person under 70 gets vaccinated, but the most illogical fact of all is that she, and you, think you know better than 99% of the virologists, medical experts across the world, the United Nations. Explain the logic in that?

 

Bizarre. You are in what, your forties, fifties, older? Plenty of people around the World of middle age getting properly ill from this.

I’m sure you know this and took the vaccine accordingly and unless you are a hermit outside of work, to protect others.

 

I’ve only got one mate who hasn’t even had one jab, he’s not any sort of anti-vax nutter or anything, it’s just so absolutely typically him to have not had it that I think any of us would’ve put money on the fact he wouldn’t have if we’d have thought about it beforehand. He’s just an extremely selfish type that is always out for himself, but also incredibly lazy when it comes to sorting anything out. He’s not against having it but it wouldn’t have crossed his mind that it’s his civic duty to get off his arse and go and get it. Then the other day he pipes up on our group chat and asks how easy it is to go on holiday, everyone explains it’s a whole lot easier if you’re double jabbed, to which he responded with a load of expletives about how stupid that was. We’ve all been banging on about getting our jabs over the past few months, booking holidays etc and it’s all just passed him by, now it’s the governments fault he’s not bothered to listen to something you couldn’t possibly avoid if you tried.