New European Super League

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by The Voice of Reason, Apr 19, 2021.

  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Can't be 'best of the rest' without them.
     
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  2. I recall when City and Chelsea were lower league sides, the point being the group of top sides evolve. Go back 20 years, 40 years, 60 years and each time the ‘top 6’ changes. This will be a bump in the road for the PL but it can survive, thrive, and improve if managed right.
     
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  3. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Whilst I agree I think the TV money has now changed that forever and pretty much cemented the current top 6 forever. Certainly as things stand it would be completely unthinkable that any of them would be related again or spend more than a season or two outside the top 6. It’s just a game of musical chairs and now they’ve cemented themselves as the wealthiest clubs they want to make it 100% certain forever.
     
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  4. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    unless the super duper league dies
     
  5. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    This is true, plus someone has to take the minutes,
     
  6. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    I'm still on the fence re: how many players would sign up, if joining the super league excluded them from playing for their country - are players just going to give up playing in the world cup? Maybe they will do anything for a couple of hundred grand a week more, but I doubt all the best players would. Otherwise they'd have gone to China. There is also the chance they'll be hated in their homeland, for picking cash over country.

    What would they do domestically if they were kicked out of the PL? Play each other weekly?

    If the whole of football is as united (no ironic pun intended) against the proposals as they seem, will people start boycotting sponsors? Will sensitive brands be worried to align themselves with these sides? Will fans desert the clubs, resulting in half empty stadiums?

    I don't think it's as easy as 'if we build it and throw money at it, they will come'.

    I also think there is no coincidence that they are trying to push this through before fans are back however, as I imagine it would be much worse PR if/ when fans start publicly acting on their discontent.
     
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  7. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    If Barcelona and the madrids and the milans and the top 6 want to go be globetrotter franchises in the American way they can. Good luck to them.
    If they relocate in the future to shanghai, Kyoto and Florida I care very little for their fans if they let it happen.

    I don't care.

    If they do though, they aren't untouchable, if they want to come back they start RIGHT at the bottom of the football pyramid and every team gets to decide if they re let back in. Id suggest one entry requirement (for just them) is fans having to have a 51% share stakehold
     
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  8. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    12 x 25 players currently or 20 x 25. plus fans would hate them
     
  9. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Not if the current top sides form a closed shop league as per the one proposed (which would be similar to the NBA, NFL etc. without the drafts to balance things out).
     
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  10. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    How are Spurs getting in this:

    Only one European Cup final (same as Arsenal)
    Not won the league since 1961
    No FA Cup final since 1991
    Not won anything since 2008..

    They are there just to make the numbers up!

    Now having said this Spurs are bound to win on Sunday I accept.
     
  11. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Because it isn't based on trophy cabinets. If it was, Forest and Villa have more right than Atletico Madrid. Hamburg and Benfica have more right than City.

    It's not based on being elite football clubs. It's based on who brings the most money to the table and nothing else. Don't look at trophies, look at bank accounts.
     
  12. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    The true faithful fans of those 6 clubs have no say because they are last on those clubs' agenda.

    I understand that those true fans are condemning it just as much as the rest of us. I reckon Phoenix clubs will be born out of this (although FC United already exists).

    If these clubs go truly global then I expect that names may change i.e. "Beijing Arsenal" etc. meaning if the whole thing collapses they would have no right demanding a place in the top level of English football.
     
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  13. ForzaWatford

    ForzaWatford Squad Player

    I understand why Spurs are in this, but they are an example of why this idea is so terrible.

    They were always an upper mid-table also ran who did OK in the cups. Through some clever management and long-term planning they got themselves a top-class manager and stadium and therefore onto the top table. They now want to stop any other club being able to do the same. Spurs are comparable in size to Everton, Leeds, West Ham and Villa in terms of fan base, they've just been well run for the last 10 years.
     
  14. El distraído

    El distraído Johnny Foreigner

  15. El distraído

    El distraído Johnny Foreigner

    Could you imagine the outrage on social media?

    Genuinely, I think the UK Twitter servers would go up in smoke.
     
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  16. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Government statement just now. In essence, its committed to stopping the English clubs breaking away and will impose sanctions on clubs that do. Could include restrictions on visas for foreign signings, extra taxes and reforms to companies laws.
     
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  17. Abdi

    Abdi Academy Graduate

    American sports also have strict salary caps to ensure competitiveness. Can't see that happening in this freakshow.
     
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  18. El distraído

    El distraído Johnny Foreigner

    Where is the statement?
     
  19. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Or maybe Milton Keynes!
     
  20. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Royal Engineers and Old Etonians were winning trophies before that lot were even formed.
     
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  21. That makes them the top sides in their American franchise league, not the top sides in the PL / remaining European leagues.
     
  22. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

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  23. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    That's about as strong as it gets.

    These clubs have not only probably failed to get the super league off the ground, they will likely have got the government involved in taking corrective legislation to reduce the power of the big sides. A huge own goal.

    I wonder if the Glaziers et al., as Americans, could have imagined such robust interference from the government.
     
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  24. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    They won't really be "top sides" any more though will they?

    Olimpia Ljubljana may be one of the "top sides" in the Slovenian Premier League, but in the grander scheme of things they are not a top side; they are just playing in a poor division.

    The highest placed teams in a devalued PL will be worse than those permanently ensconced in the new Super League. All the top players would be playing in the Super League.

    Any "revived" or "evolved" Everton or Leicester or Leeds will remain worse than the teams in the SL, in a similar way to the fact that teams in the Championship will likely remain worse than those in the PL, and teams in the Slovenian PL will likely remain worse than those in the English PL. Any "revived" or "evolved" Everton or Leicester or Leeds could well even be lower in quality relative to the actual top teams than they are now, as there will be less money flowing in to the PL due to lower viewing figures and reduced incentives for success, thus stifling their level of investment and relative competitiveness.
     
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  25. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Surely any such changes will also shaft all other football clubs based in the UK?

    Things such as visa requirements, taxes, and company laws must surely be universal?

    The UK government will probably be licking their lips at the opportunity to use this as an excuse to increase their influence and try and take more of the footballing pie, all under the guise of helping to save the game. In reality they'll probably put the nails in the coffin of English football.
     
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  26. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

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  27. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I don't care. Worse case scenario I get to watch a Championship plus type product. Best case the super douper league goes bust as people get bored in about 10 years when people realise it's not much fun watching 90% exhibition games with no euro qualification or relegation. At which point the vermin can rot in oblivion and the Championship plus league enjoys a massive boost. Easy to play the short term game here but I think the majority of domestic football fans would be willing to cut them loose.

    Give me Palace v West Ham in a competitive league with promotion, relegation and european qualification excitement over exhibition matches. If Ken Sema is the star player then so be it.
     
  28. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Not necessarily. For example, visas (work permits) are in the gift of the Home Office and it can decide which employers (clubs) in which competitions are eligible for them. In essence it gets to define what is and isn’t ‘elite sport’. Same with Covid regs or whatever. If the Super League ain’t on the list, then bad luck.

    I suppose with taxes they could craft out laws or rules that say if your club is owned by a foreign entity and plays more than x% of its matches in a named competition (eg, the European Super League), it has to pay an extra 25% tax on its profits. Or however they want to draft it. I don’t know much about tax laws but I know they can be used to punish undesirable behaviour by hitting them in the pocket.
     
  29. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Smash 50% VAT on tickets and Super League subscriptions as well. Super League is detrimental our national sport therefore consumption should be discouraged. Treat it like a packet of ciggies.
     
  30. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

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  31. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    Relegate all 6 clubs to league 2 with massive fines and point deductions.

    Start changing the whole model and make it more like Germany with fans owning a big share in the clubs


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  32. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

  33. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

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  34. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    True - sure they won’t be too far away !
     
  35. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Call me an old fashioned old f—t, but this story was first on the BBC news, when we are thirteen months into the worst pandemic in living memory, either the BBC has got its priorities wrong, or the Premier League and now the Super Premier League is the most important thing in today’s news. Staggering really how things change!
     

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