Ways To End The Season Fairly

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  1. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Dsr said: Critics will say my position is founded on self-interest and they would be absolutely right. I have a duty to protect my club and the people employed by it, some of whom have worked for Burnley Football Club for more than 20 years and dedicated their lives to it
     
  2. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    And which part of that do you have a problem with? A boss looking out for his company and staff. Seems about right to me. I’m sure he’s done his homework on what they stand to lose or gain far more than an opposition fan from Burnley in the situation.
    He goes on to say in his statement that from his vast experience of meeting with his contemporaries from other clubs, that they all look out for their own interests - and some times they align, and often they don’t.

    You’re trying to place blame where there is none.
     
  3. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Anyway apprantley up
    to 13 clubs have rejected the idea of netural grounds so the thought that teams just want to cancel the season to save themselves might be unfair ?


    Not all of them must be worried about relegation..maybe European contenders as well ?
     
  4. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    If that's true, this may force a closure of the season. If the government stick to their guns over neutral grounds, and the clubs refuse to vote for it, then the only other alternative is to void the season. Even with the three vote swing you'd instantly get from the three clubs chosen for relegation will not be enough to stop it from happening.
     
  5. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    The problem is the FA are insisting that removing relegation and promotion is ‘off the table’ for reasons which are still not clear to me. In those circumstances I would much rather the season was played out, even under artificial conditions, rather than using some points per game formula to decide final positions.
     
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  6. sydney_horn

    sydney_horn Squad Player

    I totally agree. However funny it is, it would be outrageous for the Muff to go down on the basis of one goal and Villa to get relegated with a game in hand.

    But the FA have a record of crumbling in any disputes with the EPL. The EPL is where the money is.

    And the FA have already voided non league football without promotion and relegation so they have set a precedent.

    If the EPL decide to void the season and cancel relegation I don't think the FA would do anything and would probably fail in court if they tried anyway.
     
  7. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    It depends on who they choose to be the bottom three. To choose the three to go down, I predict there will be multiple scenarios presented and voted for. ALL clubs will choose which scenario works best for themselves. We may end up with a weird and seemingly unfair system for relegation.

    For what it's worth, I'm firmly of the opinion, if the season ends now there should be no promotion or relegation. Void means void. No rewards, no punishments.
     
  8. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Give you a clue, it rhymes with weeds.
     
  9. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well unless they went for a half way of the season table we'd be on stuff like PPG if that is the way to go.

    Then the lawyers would have a field day if the clubs are able to take legal action.

    It's probably why no one seems to actually want to cancel the season.
     
  10. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    It’s a little bizarre really and stinks to high heaven:
    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/other-sport/south-shields-chairman-geoff-thompson-step-legal-challenge-against-fa-2550456?amp
    A number of the lower league seasons have been voided, yet ‘sporting merit’ hasn’t been applied even with teams in this example as much as 12 points clear. Obviously there is less money at stake in the lower leagues, but it’s all relative and promotion would make a big difference.

    Either the FA are trying to use the threat that there has to be promotion/relegation as leverage, and when it becomes impossible for football to restart their position might change. Or as has been stated further down, if they refuse on relegation/promotion and to use ‘sporting merit’ lower down the pyramid, even when one team is as much as 12 points clear, yet insist on using it towards the top, the must have Leeds in their ear.
     
  11. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Just send us down already, lets get it over and done with.
     
  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Apprantley in that situation the non league committee agreed to void the season but the clubs didn't..

    Strange one.
     
  13. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    You’re turning into your nemesis HB1 with all this conspiracy talk.
     
  14. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    So any theory you don't agree with is a conspiracy theory?
     
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Seems like :

    Arsenal
    Spurs
    Chelsea
    Newcastle
    Everton
    Leicester

    Are the other teams against neutral grounds.

    According to the Telegraph.

    All down to loss of advertising revenue !
     
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  16. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    So is this a conspiracy theory conspiracy theory ?
     
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  17. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Leeds United was an inside job.
     
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  18. another_mrlizard

    another_mrlizard Squad Player

    I'm hearing it's about to be announced that we are to be relegated and that Leeds, WBA, Forest, Derby, Birmingham and Sheff Wed are to be promoted in out place.

    This is, as our resident experts have correctly informed us, because the FA and all the Premier League referees hate us.

    [​IMG]
     
  19. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Correct.
     
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  20. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Watford and Everton finally on the same side.
     
  21. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well at least we were honest ..

    I presume these other clubs have had such thoughts for a whille but not come public.

    Bournemouth have said no comment on the situation..

    Guess they will want the season to end otherwise they will be relegated it seems anyway.
     
  22. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    So the clubs that oppose it are those that don't want to get relegated/lose money and those that don't want to lose money?
     
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  23. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Difficult to argue with as long as it was based on sporting merit.
     
  24. R4E

    R4E Reservist

    I will be amazed if this season gets going again.

    That said, I find it amazing that with all of the money and potential legal challenges involved, that the Premier League doesn't have some sort of system in place in their laws/rules/whatever to deal with what happens if matches can't be completed.

    I know none of us expected the current situation, but to have to do a vote on the best way to decide league positions, while knowing which clubs would win or lose based on the decision is farcical.
     
  25. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I agree. With no rule in place, then you cannot vote on relegation or promotion, knowing in advance which teams you are condemning or rewarding. That would not only immoral but totally corruptible.

    You can vote on this way of dealing with things before a season starts.....that of course is fine, but not when everything hangs in the balance mid-season.

    The FA/EPL have no rules in place for this sort of thing and that is their fault. No one to blame apart from the rule makers. You could say no one could forecast this happening, and to a degree I sympathise, but it's the job of the football governing bodies to have this covered off. Be it for a pandemic, war, natural disaster or terrorist actions that a season is delayed for a great length of time. There should be rules or at least guidelines to handle such events.

    It's the FA's fault and no one else should carry the can for their lack of foresight.
     
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  26. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    The Premier League should have included 'Force Majeur' in their constitution so they could void the season.
     
  27. hornetgags

    hornetgags McMuff's lovechild

    Burnley are in favour of neutral grounds as the lack of atmosphere won't make a difference and they get to play in a decent stadium.
     
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  28. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    The thing is, the Premier League isn't a faceless entity. It's a company with 20 shareholders, any of whom can propose business for its board to consider. The clubs themselves could have asked for plans to be drawn up for war, pestilence, nuclear explosion, Jeremy Corbyn being elected...any catastrophy really.
     
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  29. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    On that note, Bournemouth are insisting on neutral venues as they want to play all their games in proper football stadiums.
     
  30. Aylesburyorn

    Aylesburyorn Academy Graduate

    Just seen Sadiq Khan has objected to any games being hosted in London at all in June. This may be the final nail in the coffin.
     
  31. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I still think it must be more nuanced than we know. I fly to NYC a few times a year for work and even my travel insurance on a low priced (relatively) event such as that is covered for pandemics etc. I really struggle to believe that a multi-million/billion pound entity such as the PL and their contracts etc don't have any provision for it. I suspect it does but it doesn't go far enough and has many different nuances to it which many parties can question etc.
     
  32. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Does Khan actually have the power to veto such a thing? He can say he's opposed to it, but if the government gives it the go ahead can he do anything? Can the Metropolitan Police agree to supervising games independent of Khan's own thoughts?

    Here's the article:

    https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football/sadiq-khan-opposes-premier-league-plan-restart-london-june-a4438206.html
     
  33. lowerrous

    lowerrous First Team

    Here's an interesting conversation with the CEO of the Premier League Richard Masters. It's definitely worth reading for those on here.

    It answers a number of questions, e.g. one which @Burnsy put to me:

    How many weeks' group training before it is safe to play? How many positive cases would be sufficient to allow a squad to suspend a game?
    "We've not alighted on a formula for either of those. The latter hasn't been discussed "

    I am a tad surprised, but heck, I'm not the one in charge.

    https://www.skysports.com/football/...return-dates-discussed-by-ceo-richard-masters

    I also wonder if they'll wait and see what happens with the Bundesliga before finalising some of those questions.
     
  34. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    This is slightly confusing/interesting. Haven’t read the article so could be explained in there, but:

    Presumably all neutral grounds would have the digital advertising boards, so any advertising could just be transferred over? I appreciate that doesn’t help with fixed advertising on stands etc, ground naming rights etc..

    ... But how much is that worth? Is it as much as the amounts the Burnley chump keeps banging on about losing if the season isn’t completed? I can’t see it would be.

    Which leads me to assume that any threat of lost money by sky etc is an idle threat and that the clubs believe negotiations will happen about it if the season is scrapped. Otherwise why would they vote against a restart based on losing loads of Tv money vs lost advertising revenue?
     
  35. R4E

    R4E Reservist

    Sports Direct, King Power and Emirates would certainly argue that they are not getting the exposure they paid for if Newcastle, Leicester or Arsenal's grounds aren't used.
     
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