Xisco Munoz

Discussion in 'Former Players Archive' started by The Recluse, Dec 18, 2020.

  1. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    There are quite a few when you start looking. Our own Ray Lewington, for example, has only been an assistant since leaving Watford. A couple of others off the top of my head are Alan Knill at Sheffield U, who managed in the lower divisions, and Paul Trollope at Forest.
     
  2. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Good points!

    I'd still guess most managers don't want to revert once they try unless they hate it.
     
  3. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Glowing tribute from Cleverley about Munoz.

    Tom Cleverley wants Watford to 'right the wrongs' of last season | Watford Observer

    Of course you have to read between the lines in these type of interviews, as he's hardly going to slaughter the guy, but you can see he's clearly been impressed with him. I don't recall reading too many positive interviews from players when Ivic was in charge.

    Cleverley, himself, also comes across very well and one of the few senior players who wanted to stay and help Watford get back to the top flight. You've got to respect players like this.
     
  4. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/sport/18708811.watford-brink-new-era-claims-tom-cleverley/

    :D
     
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  5. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

  6. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    I think this is the first time I've ever seen a player say that he thinks the incoming manager is great. As Manatleaisure has shown above, Tom is usually very very guarded about whether he supports a new appointment or not. Can't wait to read what he thinks about the next guy coming in to replace Munoz in March. Tis' the start of a new era indeed.
     
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  7. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Ha ha.....yes...I thought I'd seen that interview somewhere before. Players tend to be a bit rooted in their phrases, however, reading that article, I think he's more alluding to the younger players that looked like being around at the time like Estupinan, Suarez & Dele-Bashiru. Two have since left and one is long term injured. Also using Wilmot, Quina, Pedro more along with Sarr. It probably looked a more youthful and exciting set-up at that moment in time. I think he was praising the attitude and enthusiasm of the younger players, rather than fulsome praise of Ivic.
     
  8. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Squad Player

    Gino's got the cattle prod out.
     
  9. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Is he trying to copyright this 'fight like animals' ********?
     
  10. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    He needs to specify which type of animal. Maybe that's the issue. So far we have been fighting like these killer chicks.
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  11. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Footballers must get asked so many pointless questions so it’s no wonder they sound so dull .

    Unless Xisco decides to ban countdown Cleverley isn’t going to say a bad word is he ..?
     
  12. Carpster

    Carpster Squad Player

    Isn't that Deeney?
     
  13. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    I think he's chairman now?
     
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  14. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Chairman of the BROAD.



    I'll get me coat.
     
  15. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    He's so boring, his latest press conference would be perfect to help you fall asleep. It's like we've brought back the reincarnation of Quique.

    His English is crap too, worse than I'd thought. There is no way he's going to get across many ideas to the team much past "be positive, clap clap clap, maximum effort, everything's perfect".
     
  16. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Do you think that there's any more he'd like to communicate beyond that?
     
  17. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    "Put down the fork"
     
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  18. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Because he's clearly completely unqualified, has virtually no experience and is a gibbering moron.
     
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  19. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Surely cannot be worse than Ivic?!

    The Moose on Talksport said he was the most boring manager he ever spoke to.

    Mind you it’s all cliches and talk really .

    Get the job done on the pitch ..
     
  20. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    'Quiten down now, everyone, and listen to Troy'.
     
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  21. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    In fairness, the Moose is an absolute f uckwit wrong'un in the head - that actually makes me think more highly of Ivic.
     
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  22. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    True - Ivic probably didn't give the Moose his phone number and have a picture with him which upset him.

    TBF I agreed with what Ivic said after the game sometimes.

    Trouble was the players didn't seem to take any notice and we know why!
     
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  23. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    'Just hoof it up to me, and I'll do the rest'
     
  24. westbridgfordhornet

    westbridgfordhornet First Year Pro

    I have excellent news to report. Xisco has been using this week's training to move us to a new level. Our new fighting formation this week will be based on SLOTHS! Let's get ready to errr, rumble...zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz....
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  25. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    You're not wrong. In any profession, anybody that says bad words about their manager hasn't got much of a future at that place.
     
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  26. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    In any profession all the time?

    It may be different in football because you're being paid a lot and should still try to please the fans but what do you do if you're stuck in a soul-destroyingly boring office job with a manager who's plain incompetent and makes your life a misery?
     
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  27. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    You just go and find another job usually.
     
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  28. DaveWFC

    DaveWFC Five Star Man

    Unless your name is Troy Deeney, of course.
     
  29. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

  30. DaveWFC

    DaveWFC Five Star Man

    Man U fans obsession with Garner is so tedious. Constantly asking how he's doing, and when they get the honest response that he's average at best, they get all uppity and claim that clearly we don't appreciate/understand him, like when people couldn't face the fact that Jurado was ****.

    I'd say he's our worst midfielder - and that's saying something. Only player I've ever seen unable to beat a one man wall from a free kick. Would be happy if we sent him back.
     
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  31. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Certainly doesn't look anything but average in our midfield which doesn't say much!

    And he in and out of the team under Ivic.
     
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  32. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    And he totally wasted a corner against Bournemouth which actually led to them breaking (when you can't even keep a corner in your opponents' half, that's bad even by our none too lofty standards).

    He did alright for the rest of the game in fairness but I can't remember what if anything he contributed of note and for some reason I can't get the full live text of the game from the BBC.

    Yes he is only 19 but Man Utd fans seem to think he should be the next Rashford/Greenwood just because he plays for them.
     
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  33. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    He's crap and will never make it as a Premier League player. Reminds of the likes of Tom Carroll - lightweight, slow, but can pick a pass when under no pressure whatsoever. He'll play a handful of cup games for United against rubbish opposition then go to a bottom half Premier League team for a season before falling down the pyramid.
     
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  34. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Added the lawful requirement for a English United player.
     
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  35. The Recluse

    The Recluse Reservist

    I don't think he's crap but the bit I've highlighted is the thing as I see it. I think that's why Garner sometimes receives the ball near the halfway line and turns towards our goal, to give him that bit more time.

    Any player with decent technical ability and a football brain will look good at age level football because you're allowed more time, in general, and the pace of matches is that much slower.

    We've all seen the ability with the ball George Abbot has in that BBC wondered video and I'd imagine that's standard for the higher end academies.

    What I have noticed and started to realise is players positional sense is generally poor at U23 football and down. Omer Riza is forever instructing, guiding and ultimately shouting at players in U23 games where their positioning is concerned.

    Two things with this;
    1: In age level games it's easier to recover bad positioning when a match is slower and other players are slightly 'off' too.
    2: In League football, against more experienced players and in higher tempo matches, having a bad starting position means you have even less time on the ball or you're too far away to be effective defensively.

    As I say, I don't think Garner is crap but he has to adjust to the tempo of matches with Watford and also sort out his positioning. Both will help him have that vital second or so in or out of possession.


    edit: sorry for editing but I used the phrase 'with the ball' so often it really pissed me off reading it back!
     
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