Discussion in 'The Team Bus' started by The Recluse, Dec 18, 2020.
Betting on Norwich is about as responsible as it gets tbh
To take TUT's point, then why have we only attracted this absolute no mark with precisely zero experience apart from a couple of weeks in South Bumphukksville?
Because he is cheap.
I agree with this but having thought about it often with WFC, I get the feeling that footballers are just a mixture of personality types on a different level of insanity to us meer mortals, and the outcome of any team semantics is almost beyond control.
You've got: player ability, fitness, strength of mind (or not), confidence, fear of injury, fear of manager, hate the manager, manager doesn't seem to rate me, hate his training methods, dislike 4 of my team mates, I'm so much better than this club, where's my next big payday, I earn 2 mil a year f everyone...
Then a manager gets his team bouncing and alls great, until he loses two players and brings in two more, and somehow its not working.
You can't even say the top 8 Prem teams have it all sussed, football just seems to be be a very fickle game.? Few managers can keep it high for more than the odd year or so.
I think this is why so many British managers have historically chosen the hack and bash approach - average players giving 100pct and playing to a tight remit can get them a reasonable season outcome, and many lower league teams rely on simple game plan and trying to rekindle some form of "Wimbledon Dons nutters" unity you can't get with top players.
It's a crazy game at Pro level...
It's a good question.
I suspect the reasons Watford are playing badly are various and complex. Not all the players will be reacting in the same way. And I think it is not always possible to tell by simply watching them play. Capoue, for instance, has been criticized in the past for being lazy, when it turned out he was actually running further than anybody else during a match. Pereyra, on the other hand, was clearly lazy and switched off. There are big questions as to what Sarr thinks he is doing out there. And so on.
It seems quite likely to me that Ivic has been a part of the problem: The team's set-ups and style have been terrible.
But I don't claim to have all of the answers.
Gino Pozzo will be having a tough time of it: Not only is he between a rock and a hard place, but it is likely mostly his fault.
As Dom says, cheap. If we wanted/could spend more we could attract a coach with a better resume. This is a punt, but I doubt it’s wholly a wild shot in the dark.
It's clearly a wild shot in the dark. Theres no light on his career for it to be anything else.
It's utterly contemptible recklessness.
Best case the players apply themselves for a few weeks to show they were right to get Vlad sacked and then we return to normal
This guy isn't the answer to our deep rooted woes. He's barely a band aid.
That’s simply not true. If he was a UEFA cup winner from England who had played for Chelsea rather than Valencia we would know who he was. He’s clearly been on a management trajectory, but took a back woods route that he knew.
Chill out and enjoy the ride.
I think it’s exacerbated with us by the type of player we tend to bring in though. Of course there are exceptions, Sarr, Richarlison, Pedro, they’re all players with potential that are upwardly mobile, there isn’t as much of a problem with those type of players, but even then they’re sold Watford as a stepping stone to bigger clubs, so can’t expect any loyalty from them.
The bulk of our squad is generally made up of players that have a question mark next to their name, we look for value by going for damaged goods. Players that have failed at a higher level already, have question marks about their motivation and application.
Capoue has been a great player for the club, but what has he got to aim for now? Players like Cleverly, Chalobah, Dawson, Gray... they have nothing they can really achieve in football anymore, their careers peaked before us, but equally they’ve got nice contracts fall back on.
Of course you need a balance, but I think we rely to heavily on that type of player. Sure we’ve got players like Ngakia and Quina, but they’ve both already played at a higher level and not quite cut it, so we’re relying on somehow making them better players than they have been up to now, and how is our track record for that.
Toney is the obvious example, but I don’t think we look for enough talent that hasn’t made it yet and will be hungry to achieve something in the game. Not a load of has beens with our success relying on enough of them deciding to have good games at the right time.
He's an unprecedented level of ****. If he had come from being one of our players, of course that would be different.
Taking unqualified nobodies from the footballing black spot on the Caspian Sea is a new low for the Pozzos and justifying it is a new low for their apologists.
I think it’s easy to see the logic behind it though, it isn’t completely deranged.
There isn’t any manager who could guarantee us promotion at this point, hypothetically (because he wouldn’t actually come) you could chuck a load of cash at Howe and we’d potentially still not get automatics.
This guy is cheap and can be dispensed with immediately. As long as we don’t miss out on the play offs we’ve effectively lost nothing. The other managers available were all undoubtedly better qualified but guaranteed to do nothing. This guy could be appalling or he could be great, at least he has the potential to be great.
Whatever happens he won’t be here at the end of the season at which point a more sensible manager will have been identified.
OK scratch my recent post, yours is better.! Your summary is a very good pointer to why we have so many "awkward" player types, we'd never find another Robbo/Mooney type these days and that's what we really would wish for...
I think it’s a question of balance, for example Sheffield Utd pay top dollar for home grown talent, the problem is they’re expensive so you have to get every buy absolutely spot on. They probably need to look at a few more overseas players to stretch their budget a bit more. But if you fill your squad with too many Peyreras you get the odd good game out of them but it’s impossible to motivate them beyond a certain point.
Welcome to Watford however briefly. Nice to see he has the number of hours he will stay printed on his jacket. 990.
Must be uncomfortable sitting on that fence!
I think we should compromise, give him 11 games and then let Troy decide.
New around here?
I'm starting to think that some of the COGs aren't COGs at all and just fancy an online sparring session like in the laughable politics forum. There's simply no way this can be justified legitimately by anyone with any sanity.
'Maybe erm, ....wait may he's, ......wait, no maybe we could,..... no, give me a moment erm, ah *snaps fingers* maybe appointing a criminally unqualified nobody that smiles a lot and has no track record whatsoever is exactly what we need. I mean it worked for *searches frantically for any example of this happening in history without disastrous results, comes up blank, diverts to false equivalence* Frank Lampard.
Yes. Pozzo has done well here. Let's give this guy a chance.'
Unfair. Munoz played under Rafa for 5 minutes and used to make notes in his notebook about fighting like animals and things being perfect.
Well, if he worked for a manager, that ultimately means he is more or less a manager.
I worked for Abbey National when I was 18. I'm gonna apply to be a bank CEO in the New Year.
Not at all.
In fact, to use an oft used quote, I think it’s a must win game.
He's said "at this moment" at least once. A tiny tweak on the Pozzo model, which shows that lessons have been learnt.
I'm dreading hearing this simpering imbeciles press conference after tonight's tonking
Well I for one am willing to give him a chance to see what he can bring to the table and not to pass judgement before the team has kicked a ball under his (and Deeney's) 'leadership'.
Psychologically this is massive.
He can't be any worse than Ivic.
We may even work the opposition goalkeeper who have been almost passengers recently. We may even start passing the ball forward rather than endlessly backwards and sideways across our back 3/4. We may start attacking at pace and continue running at the defence or getting to the goal line and producing a cross or fashion a shooting chance rather than stopping and then passing the ball all the way back to Foster. Things may not go to plan and we might get a significant tactical change for the better or some substitutions that make sense. We might score 2 goals from open play. Or the wheels might completely fall off and everything turn to sh1te.
It will never be worse than the worst home festive fixture ever. Watford 1 - 4 Millwall under Vialli in 2002:
The Italian Clown's finest hour (and a half).
Better a “simpering imbecile” than a “gurning fool”?
We'll know by 10pm...
FFS two more CB's out, Sierralta, Wilmot starting
Bench looks loaded with plenty of MF's though and the one striker most of us would like to see starting?
Good. I can tell you 'I told you so' once it all goes **** up.
Already smiled more than Ivic did in 5 months
Mega debut win. Obviously need to follow it up but saved us from a 12 point deficit.
Youre gonna have to wait