Who Stays, Who Goes?

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by YellowKicks, Jul 17, 2020.

  1. dynamo380

    dynamo380 Reservist

    Femenia is a confidence player. When his confidence is up he has generally done ok in all fairness. When it isnt we get west ham type performances or he disappears. Then again hes a winger thats been converted to full back and it shows at times. He's better than the alternatives we have at the club currently, which is why I consider RB to be a priority position this off season.
     
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  2. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Academy Graduate

    I agree . But where does a defensive players confidence come from ?
    I would say knowing that attacking players are capable of doing their
    job .
     
  3. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    This is utterly pointless. Again, none of this changes the point that Femenia is awful and a part of our problems, and these constant imaginary player swaps with other teams and the guesswork about the comparative impact they'd have are completely irrelevant.

    Again, you are simply finding weird ways to make excuses for the leagues worst right back by trying to demonstrate how others are impactfully worse. Believe me, I'm well aware that Femenia is not the only useless swine in our team and far from our only problem, but the fact remains that his embarrassing defensive ability and lack of any other redeeming qualities as a footballer play a role in our sh*teness.

    He is nowhere near good enough and needs to go, as do a number of others. End of.
     
  4. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    You might do. But why spend money on a RB when you can continue to play a winger you got for free there?
     
  5. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Academy Graduate

    I just think that you are posting with emotion as opposed to any common sense .
    Yes you don't like Kiki. Others more qualified than either you or me would disagree ?
     
  6. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    Yes, I (and the large number of other fans who agree with my stance on him who aren't at all hard to find either on here or on social media) must be wrong because the only fit right back at the club is continually picked at right back by default of being our only right back, as we sit 17th in the league on the verge of relegation. Cool.

    You've just said that neither of us are qualified to actually have an opinion anyway, so we may as well end this worthless discussion, close down the forums and keep all clueless, unqualified fans and their unimportant thoughts away from football permanently.
     
  7. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett Academy Graduate

    I didn't say that you are not allowed an opinion . These are your words not mine.
    I said that your opinion is derived from an emotional pov and those that are
    qualified and who have removed emotion may have a different point of view to yours.
    This said you have valid concerns about our full backs .
     
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  8. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Simple really as the title says, below is the list of players currently registered to the club on Transfermarkt.co.uk plus one or two additions. Obviously will vary hugely depending on what league we are in, but for the sake of argument and likelihood this is assuming we are in the championship next year.

    Who stays and who go's? Feel free to copy and paste my list with your own feelings and comments. Obviously I have been fairly cut happy here, and would never expect to let this many players leave in one go but it is my IDEAL scenario.

    Goalkeepers


    B. Foster - Go
    P. Dahlberg - Stay
    H. Gomes - Go
    D. Bachmann - Stay

    Although I don't particularly have any problem with Foster, i think it would be best for the development of the team going forward that he moves on. I think one of the promoted clubs would certainly be keen to have a goalkeeper of his calibre. Bachmann and Dahlberg will not progress whilst being 3rd and 4th choice.

    Defenders

    C. Kabasele - Go
    C. Dawson - Stay
    C. Cathcart - Stay
    A. Mariappa - Go
    A. Masina - Stay
    J. Holebas - Go
    K. Femenia - Go
    D. Janmaat - Go
    D. Foulquier - Go
    M. Navarro - Stay
    T. Wilmot - Stay
    P. Estupinan - Stay

    Perhaps the most important area of the squad to revamp, next year we need to see players like Wilmot, Estupinan and Navarro step up and take on a key role. I actually think Kabasele, Dawson and Cathcart will perform ok in the championship. I've put Masina down as a stay but would like to see him play more in a central role. Femenia I have put as a go, but would not be averse to him staying in a more advanced role.

    Midfielders

    E. Capoue - Go
    N. Chalobah - Stay
    A. Doucoure - Go
    W. Hughes - Stay
    T. Cleverley - Go
    D. Quina - Stay
    T. Dele-Bashiru - Stay
    R. Pereyra - Go
    G. Deulofeu - Stay
    I. Success - Go
    I. Sarr - Stay
    I. Pussetto - Stay

    This area definitely needs toughening up for the championship. Its time for a bit of a revamp. Chalobah is worth persisting with and if he can get his confidence back could be huge for us next year. I fear Sarr and Deulofeu will both be off, so strengthening the wide men will also be important.

    Forwards

    J. Pedro - Stay
    A. Gray - Go
    C. Hernandez - Stay
    T. Deeney - Stay
    D. Welbeck - Go
    A. Penaranda - Stay
    F. Stuparevic - Stay
    J. Sinclair - Go
    L. Suarez - Stay

    We have a lot of potential here and it will be interesting to see if we can keep Suarez. It will be interesting to see what Hernandez can do, and I think its important for Pedro and Penaranda to have break out seasons. I don't know enough about Stuparevic. Deeney should stay, but play a reduced role in the starting 11 next season.
     
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  9. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    Just to state I will be amazed if we let 16 players leave, but that would give us some flexibility next season and help to reduce the wage bill considerably.
     
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  10. Squibba

    Squibba Predictor Choker 14/15

    Can probably be merged with @YellowKicks thread to be fair.
     
  11. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Janmaat and Foster have signed new contracts so will stay.

    Welbeck has a 3 year deal I thivk so he is tied down.

    And I cannot see IF we do go down all these young loan players coming back.


    Sarr and Doucoure will go plus Pereyra.

    Defence will be as it is and hopefully Hughes /Chalobah will stay as they would be good in the Championship.
     
  13. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    oh sorry completely forgot about that one. my disillusionment has destroyed my memory. Mods please merge.
     
  14. Bubble

    Bubble Wise Oracle

    If Welbeck can stay fit and is utilised down the middle, he could score 25 goals in the Championship.

    We have a talented midfield even without the likes of Capoue and Doucoure. Hughes and Chalobah would p1ss over any midfield in the Championship.

    The biggest issue will be our defence!! Too old, too slow, too sh*t.
     
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  15. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    I still don't get the hype with Quina. Barmy.
    Similar to when some were frothing at mouth to see Bachmann play, only for him to turn out to be a Perry Digweed reincarnation and have two horror games against Tranmere.

    Our squad for next season should be hugely different to how it is now. But it won't be. We will lose a few who don't want to be here - Deulofeu, Pereyra, Capoue, Doucoure, Sarr will all go. Of those I would only miss seeing Capoue when he has his few good games of the season and Sarr. The rest have all been half arsed this season and can happily go.

    A change between the sticks is in order.
    Our existing defence is Championship level so as much as it pains me I don't see huge change coming there. Janmaat is ok but he's only ever fit for a hour or so each season.
    Chalobah, Cleverley, Hughes are three Championship level midfielders, though Hughes arguably would deserve a move.
    Deeney and Gray will play significant parts next season. If we keep hold of Welbeck we will have done well. He is very good, clearly, but too injury prone for a normal club to take a punt on him so I reckon he might stay.
    Somebody might take a punt on Pedro.

    It isn't a squad that will have us challenging to go up, but as next season will be about cutting our cloth I don't expect to see any major in-comings.
     
  16. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    For the sake of argument and likelihood this is assuming we are in the championship next year.

    Goalkeepers

    B. Foster - Stay
    P. Dahlberg - Stay
    H. Gomes - Possibly move up to player coach
    D. Bachmann - Stay

    Time for Gomes to possibly step up to the coaching staff and maybe remain registered as a player for cover.

    Defenders

    C. Kabasele - Stay
    C. Dawson - Stay
    C. Cathcart - Stay?
    A. Mariappa - Stay?
    A. Masina - Stay
    J. Holebas - Go
    K. Femenia - Stay
    D. Janmaat - Go
    D. Foulquier - Go
    M. Navarro - Stay
    T. Wilmot - Stay
    P. Estupinan - Stay

    We obviously need some additions in defence, and depending on who, if any, we recruit, those with question marks might possibly go as well.

    Midfielders

    E. Capoue - stay
    N. Chalobah - Stay
    A. Doucoure - Go
    W. Hughes - Stay
    T. Cleverley - Go sorry to say this but he seems to have lost it since his return from injury :(
    D. Quina - Stay
    T. Dele-Bashiru - Stay
    R. Pereyra - Go
    G. Deulofeu - Stay
    I. Success - Go
    I. Sarr - Stay
    I. Pussetto - Stay

    Some additions in MF would not go a miss, but we are not to badly covered in this area.

    Forwards

    J. Pedro - Stay
    A. Gray - Go
    C. Hernandez - Stay
    T. Deeney - Stay?
    D. Welbeck - Stay
    A. Penaranda - Stay?
    F. Stuparevic - Stay
    J. Sinclair - Go
    L. Suarez - Stay

    We definitely need additions in the out and out striker department, and if we manage to get a decent Goal Scorer or two in, then those with question marks would possibly go as well.
     
    Last edited: Jul 22, 2020
  17. RMT79

    RMT79 Academy Graduate

    Not what I want to happen necessarily but what I think will happen

    B. Foster - Stay
    P. Dahlberg - Stay will be the number 2
    H. Gomes - Go
    D. Bachmann - Go - £300k Sold due to lack of opportunity


    Defenders

    C. Kabasele - Stay
    C. Dawson - Stay
    C. Cathcart - Go - £1m will want to play football
    A. Mariappa - Stay
    A. Masina - Go - £4m he'll be off back to Italy.. Udinese probably
    J. Holebas - Go - Free
    K. Femenia - Stay
    D. Janmaat - Go - £2m
    D. Foulquier - Go - Free
    M. Navarro - Go ..... hasnt he already gone
    T. Wilmot - Stay
    P. Estupinan - Go - £10m maybe, he wont want to play Championship football if the hype is to be believed, we will cash in


    Midfielders

    E. Capoue - Go - £7.5m
    N. Chalobah - Go £4m
    A. Doucoure - Go - Someone will buy him for about £20m
    W. Hughes - Go - someone will snap him up for about £15m - Palace, West Ham, Southampton
    T. Cleverley - Go - someone will have him - £2m
    D. Quina - Stay
    T. Dele-Bashiru - Stay
    R. Pereyra - Go - back to Argentina £6m
    G. Deulofeu - Go - He wont hang about - we will get maybe £20m
    I. Success - Go - £4m
    I. Sarr - Go - He will go to a top club - we may get our money back £30m
    I. Pussetto - Stay

    Forwards

    J. Pedro - Stay
    A. Gray - Stay - cant see anyone buying him
    C. Hernandez - Stay
    T. Deeney - Go - I have a feeling they will try and get rid - maybe Birmingham or WBA for £3m
    D. Welbeck - Go - £5m He wont stay in the Championship
    A. Penaranda - Go - £1m to somewhere in Spain
    F. Stuparevic - Stay
    J. Sinclair - Go - Free - hasn't he gone already for
    L. Suarez - Go - We will cash in for £12m
     
  18. USAHornet

    USAHornet Academy Graduate

    Last summer, the narrative from the club was how great it was to keep our key players. That's proven to be nonsense, since clearly it left some of them complacent and saw a slip in their play. Now I think we'll be stuck with dead wood that can't be moved on, while the talent will head off. It becomes an average, old Championship squad.

    What I think will happen, assuming we go down:

    Keepers

    B. Foster - Stay
    P. Dahlberg - Stay
    H. Gomes - Go
    D. Bachmann - Go (maybe loan)

    Defenders

    C. Kabasele - Stay
    C. Dawson - Stay (relegated twice in a couple years, will a Prem club want him)
    C. Cathcart - Stay
    A. Mariappa - Stay (re-signed, right?)
    A. Masina - Go - Back to Italy
    J. Holebas - Go - Contract over, wife already posting about moving to Germany
    K. Femenia - Stay
    D. Janmaat - Go
    D. Foulquier - Go
    M. Navarro - Stay (Didn't play much in Spain, could be a useful Championship piece)
    B. Wilmot - Stay
    P. Estupinan - Go (Pozzo will cash in)

    Midfielders

    E. Capoue - Go (But someone said £7.5 mil - no way it's that much - but a useful piece maybe for a club in France)
    N. Chalobah - Stay (Club will realise we need him, and he needs us to get playing time)
    A. Doucoure - Go (How the star has dimmed. From PSG to probably an upper-mid French club?)
    W. Hughes - Go (So sad about this, but think he's headed to a bottom half Prem club like Palace, Soton, etc. And he deserves Prem football)
    T. Cleverley - Stay
    D. Quina - Stay
    T. Dele-Bashiru - Stay
    R. Pereyra - Go (Obviously)
    G. Deulofeu - Stay then go (Won't be moved in the summer with the knee injury, so starts year with us and then maybe moves in winter?)
    I. Success - Go (Please god finally)
    I. Sarr - Go (thinking on loan, because as of now we won't get our money back and the Pozzos think he could be worth a lot more)
    I. Pussetto - Stay

    Forwards

    J. Pedro - Stay
    A. Gray - Stay (can't see a deal happening, and maybe a useful Championship piece)
    C. Hernandez - Stay
    T. Deeney - Stay (they can't say goodbye yet)
    D. Welbeck - Go (I thought it was just a one year deal, clearly wrong, but regardless he'll head to a mid table Prem club)
    A. Penaranda - Who knows - does this guy even play football anymore?
    J. Sinclair - Go (or stay... or loan... who knows why his career has been so derailed)
    L. Suarez - Go (Club will take the money)
     
  19. DrewH

    DrewH Administrator Staff Member

    Goalkeepers:
    Keep Foster & Dahlberg.
    Loan out Bachmann.
    Gomes retiring.

    Defenders:
    Keep Janmaat, Dawson, Masina, Cathcart, Wilmot & Estupinan.
    Sell Femenia, Kabasele & Navarro.
    Release Mariappa.

    Midfielders:
    Keep Cleverley, Chalobah, Hughes, & Quina.
    Loan out Dele-Bashiru.
    Sell Doucoure, Capoue, Pereyra & Sema.
    Release Whelan.

    Forwards:
    Keep Welbeck, Pedro, Sarr, Pussetto & Suarez.
    Loan out Cucho.
    Sell Deulofeu, Deeney, Penaranda, Gray & Success.
    Release Sinclair.

    Definitely be some that we won't be able to keep/sell out of that list but that would leave us looking strong still IMO with a fair bit of space for new additions as well.
     
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  20. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    If Estupinan plays for us in the Championship, I’ll eat my hat.
     
  21. DrewH

    DrewH Administrator Staff Member

    Oh I agree. Same applies to Sarr and possibly Welbeck too but it'd be nice, eh.
     
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  24. GoingDown

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  25. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    He's not better than Janmaat. Problem is Janmaat is always injured
     
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