Who honestly believes we will stay up this season?

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by folkestone orn, Nov 23, 2019.

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Will be stay up this season?

  1. Yay

    56 vote(s)
    43.4%
  2. Nay

    73 vote(s)
    56.6%
  1. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    I think today was vital to, at least, not lose. The manner of the defeat was, frankly, soul-destroying.

    This question is not whether we 'can' stay up. As the fat lady won't be singing for a few months yet. It is whether you think we 'will' stay-up.
     
  2. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    No. Will we probably at best get a point at Southampton next Weekend, Leicester will rip us to shreds, Palace will beat us and Liverpool will destroy us. Anything we get after that run will be a bonus. If we are even within touching
    distance of safety come the New Year it will be a total miracle. No manager can get a side so low on confidence and ability out of this mess. Especially in the toughest league in the world. Time to get ready for the Championship.
     
  3. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

  4. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Me. I'm a liverpool fan now.
     
  5. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    No chance. Buzzing about a Championship away day next season.
     
  6. barker

    barker Academy Graduate

    Yep, really excited about visiting Millwall, Hull and Wigan Pier ...
     
  7. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Reservist

    The fat lady was belting out a greatest hits set tonight
     
  8. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Surpassing even her 2006 album.
     
  9. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    I'm glad some fans look at away games as more than a 'day out' at a 'big' club's stadium.
     
  10. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    At least we can cause an upset being a Championship Club again. Remember going to Sunderland in the F.A Cup that year and beating them? Talk of the media for a week.

    I would rather us play decent football in a league below than watch us struggle with a bunch of no hopers who cannot play together as a unit and losing doesn't matter. One added
    bonus though, We will have one of the best pitches in that league! YAY.
     
  11. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Ha. First they'll do is sack the expensive groundstaff.
     
  13. davisp2

    davisp2 Reservist

    It’s not over until the fat lady sings, but she is certainly clearing her throat.
     
  14. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    I don’t think we will but I think we still have a chance. Here’s what I think needs to happen.

    1. Sack Flores immediately and admit it was a mistake - the problem is to appoint another new manger does not bode well as the players have to learn a new system and its hard for them to respect and buy into a 3rd manager if they don’t think they will be around long. We would be a laughing stock for manager turnaround but we’re a laughing stock anyway so we might as well go the whole way.

    2. New manager - I don’t think we will attract a good quality or up and coming manager at the moment and there is no point in appointing a journey man solid manager as I don’t think the players will buy into another plodder. I still think we have some good players but they are bereft of confidence and screwed by the defensive system. I think we have to take a risk and get someone with charisma who is a quality ex recent player that the squad would incidentally respect and be excited about. It almost doesn’t matter if they have good management credentials and if they did we wouldn’t be able to attract them. Someone like Thierry Henry who might be tempted by the premier league or any high profile ex player who might bring a bit of excitement and instant feel good factor. It’s a long shot but we’ve nothing to lose and if it fails we can still try and get a new up and coming manager and “go again” in the championship.
     
  15. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    The happy clappers still believe.
     
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  16. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    it’s not entirely clear who you are referring to as happy clappers but no doubt it is true that there are some people who are happy and like to clap and believe. Still, even if they are happy clappers who believe at least they’re not a know it all with a penchant for smug one liners.
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2019
  17. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    Tbf not one of these comments are from people who think we'll stay up
     
  18. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Right now, as things stand, there is no possibility we will stay up. No chance under Flores. It's a shame as I think he's on to something with the formation in the away games, but he's just being ridiculous with this overly defensive formation at home, and it's screwing us up big time.

    Home is where we have to pick up the majority of points. We've played Brighton, Burnley, Sheff Utd, West Ham and Bournemouth at home this season. All are beatable, yet we've won none of them and picked up a pathetic 2 points against them. This is why we are going to be relegated.

    Under Flores we are far too timid and gutless and the home form will not be reversed while we play in this way.

    The only way out of this now is to go gung-ho. We need a coach who will throw caution to the wind. We have nothing else to lose. If we don't it's over anyway for us.
     
  19. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    I'm not overly sure what category someone who suggests that Thierry Henry would be the answer to our problems would be put in.

    Arsenal fan?
     
  20. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    They don't exist. I've told you this. Do try and keep up. However, crushing bores, self-evidently, do.
     
  21. Change as many managers as you like, it won't fix the sh1t decisions made over the last 3 seasons and our garbage choice in centre backs and strikers
     
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  22. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky Academy Graduate

    Voted no. I've been thinking we would be relegated for a couple of months now. We do of course still have a chance but with a squad devoid of confidence and with an inability to score goals, create many chances in a game and keep clean sheets it is very hard to see where we can pick up enough points to stay up. Returned to the foot of the table today and looking inept, we are going down without much of a fight I'm afraid.
     
  23. Squibba

    Squibba Predictor Choker 14/15

    Southampton
    Leicester
    Palace
    Liverpool
    Man Utd

    Sheff Utd
    Villa
    Wolves
    Bournemouth

    Spurs
    Villa
    Everton
    Brighton
    Man Utd
    Liverpool

    Palace
    Leicester
    Burnley
    Southampton
    Chelsea
    Norwich
    Newcastle

    West Ham
    Man City
    Arsenal

    We have 25 games left to play, we need 32 points from those games ideally to get to the magic 40.

    That means we should be aiming for 9-10 wins.

    Out of the 25 games, there are 10 red games which I class as "a very probable loss".

    8 games in green which I think are very winnable and we need a good point in one or two of the oranges.

    I know football is not a perfect science at all but it's very possible to still stay up.

    Will it happen under QSF? Not a chance in hell.
     
  24. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

    He won't even try to win those green games.
     
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  25. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Even though we expect to lose to Leicester, those first three games are about as winnable as you can expect to get. Apparently. As was today’s.
     
    Last edited: Nov 23, 2019
  26. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    Of course you’re not overly sure. For the record, I said someone like Thierry Henry and there was a wider context behind my comment which you’ve chosen to ignore which is not surprising given your particular style of posting on this forum.

    Anyway I’ll try to cease from a protracted exchange with you as it is unlikely to lead to increased mutual respect. You may incorrectly think of me as an Arsenal fan if you wish and hopefully this fallacy will bring you some small happiness in reinforcing your sense of superiority.
     
  27. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Don't bother mate. The bloke's been posted missing since his excellent intro re. Brighton first up. It beats me how somebody can be so witty, engaged and dry and then revert to being a 'nasty stirer' so easily. Hey-ho ...
     
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  28. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    It's ok. Wigan will go down, and help keep the scummers up.....
     
  29. zztop

    zztop Eurovision Winner 2015

    I think we stay up, if we can get a decent coach.

    Our squad is good enough, IMHO.
     
  30. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    No, of course we won't stay up.
     
  31. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Reservist

    Before today I was optimistic we would stay up. After today I don't think so.
     
  32. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    You've already, correctly pointed out that the win ratio needed to stay up from this position is utterly unachievable. It would be a Rocky Balboaesque recovery to stay up this season with this squad.

    Thing is, at least Norwich will go down with a memory of beating Man City. We are looking at 2 or 3 attritional victories over other **** teams on an off day to give us our total of points in the high teens.
     
  33. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist


    Indeed. Although I struggle to see how Gino would entice a decent enough coach. This is why I assume it'll end up being someone young and relatively unproven.
     
  34. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Sadly, you are correct. From what I've seen this season, there are improvements to be made, but ultimately, this turd of a squad will never be sufficiently polished to get 8-9 wins out of the remaining matches.
     
  35. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Reservist

    And we haven't even hit the post Christmas slump.
     
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