Where will we finish?

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Sting, Mar 3, 2019.

  1. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    I am on the same bet as you but have absolutely no recollection of what the other handicaps were except Man City at 0. Were Wolves on a higher or lower handicap?
  2. Probably lower but doesn't matter for the purpose of the bet. It is absolute - if we finish less than 45 points behind the champions, we win, regardless of how other clubs fare against their handicaps.
  3. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    I think we might be on different bets or I misunderstood the bet because I felt certain we had to beat everyone else on their handicap. So if we have a handicap advantage over Man City at 45, Liverpool at 42, Spurs at 40 etc we had to beat them as well. I hope you are correct and I am wrong (which really wouldn't surprise me).
  4. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I had that bet with Coral with the below handicaps. This is the current table with handicaps added. I make it we are 5 points in front of Liverpool with a game in hand
    Team H'CAP
    Watford 44
    Liverpool 6
    Wolves 36
    Bournemouth 42
    Cardiff 50
    Brighton 44
    Arsenal 16
    Leicester 35
    West Ham 34
    Newcastle 41
    Man City 0
    C Palace 41
    Spurs 12
    Burnley 42
    Everton 31
    Chelsea 12
    Southampton 38
    Man Utd 9
    Huddersfield 48
    Fulham 44
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  5. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    I think we should give up trying to win the FA Cup and concentrate on winning the Handicap league.
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  6. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

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  7. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    Good result for us last night - but an unexpected three points for Wolves against Man U now makes it hard for us to overtake them. Realistically we now have to beat them at the Vic if we are to do that.
  8. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

  9. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Just out of interest when's D*-day for Cardiff?

  10. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

  11. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

  12. My (probably flawed) predictions suggest that they won't be relegated. Forgetting tonight's likely defeat at Man City, they and Burnley both have six games left - one of which is Burnley v Cardiff. Burnley then have five games left, all of which they are likely to lose - Bournemouth (a), Chelsea (a), Man City (h), Everton (a) and Arsenal (h). Assuming that they do beat Cardiff and lose the rest, they will end up with 36 points.

    Cardiff's final five games are Brighton (a), Liverpool (h), Fulham (a), Palace (h) and Man U (a) - to stay up, they will need nine points, which they could easily get from Brighton, Fulham and Palace.

    I wouldn't put any money on it though...
  13. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Not a hope for cardiff in my book. The cruel loss of Sala (the Nantes striker they didn't sign of course) and late unfair defeat to Chelsea will have broken their spirit and means they will barely get another point this season and are facing a 5 point gap as it is (i accept they have a game in hand) . I can't remember a year when the relegation battle has been so boring.
  14. My prediction in #14 on this thread is looking good, I'm still optimistic

  15. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    are we mathematically safe from relegation yet? I win a ******** if we go down.

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  16. sexyfootball

    sexyfootball Academy Graduate

    The Fat lady has started gargling I think
  17. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

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  18. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    I mean seriously... Ken Sema was one of the hopes for us to stay up?!?
  19. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

  20. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    Not safe yet, although we would have to lose our last 6 games and Cardiff would have to win their last 6 and overturn a -33 GD
  21. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    Not to mention every other team below us bar Fulham and Huddersfield would also need to better our current points tally as well? Based on games against each other it’s probably impossible.
  22. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Come on you beautiful blue bastards!
  23. Siohmy

    Siohmy Reservist

    What is impressive is that even if Cardiff get relegated he will have only successfully picked 3 out of the last 12 teams to get relegated. That’s some **** picking.
  24. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

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  25. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    I believed that was always so.
  26. Beekayess

    Beekayess Reservist

    A good summary of what is left for the teams challenging for 7th …….


    How Leicester City's fixtures compare with Wolves, Everton and Watford's in race for seventh
    A look at the run-ins of the four contenders for the potential Europa League spot

    The European dream is closer to becoming a reality for Leicester City.

    Four straight victories have propelled them to seventh in the Premier League table, while Manchester City’s progression to the FA Cup final means a Europa League qualifying spot remains available.

    But while City currently hold seventh place, are they favourites to finish there?

    Much of that depends on the run-ins, so here’s a look at each of the contenders’ final few fixtures.

    Leicester City
    Currently: 7th, 47 points

    Remaining fixtures: Newcastle (H), West Ham (A), Arsenal (H), Man City (A), Chelsea (H)

    Average position of remaining opponents: 7th

    Odds of finishing 7th: 11/2

    Thankfully for City, football is not played on paper, as they appear to have the toughest schedule of those in the running.

    The fixtures have been kind to Brendan Rodgers so far, the clash with already-relegated Huddersfield on Saturday was his fourth in a row against bottom-half sides, but that is soon to change.

    Newcastle at home this Friday is another game City would expect to win, but then they travel to West Ham before finishing with three games against the top six.

    But, City do have momentum on their side. They have not only been picking up wins but have been playing very well too and, on current form, will be a big test for the teams at the top, especially given they got the better of Manchester City and Chelsea in the reverse fixtures.

    If the title race and/or the top-four chase are over before Leicester face those final three games, they may sneak a couple of results against sides already looking to the summer.

    Currently: 8th, 47 points

    Remaining fixtures: Southampton (A), Brighton (H), Arsenal (H), Watford (A), Fulham (H), Liverpool (A)

    Average position of remaining opponents: 11th

    Odds of finishing 7th: Evens

    One of Wolves’ two routes to Europe has been closed, the West Midlanders losing to Watford in the FA Cup semi-final on Sunday, meaning seventh place is now their sole focus.

    And they have the fixtures to get there, with three of the bottom five still to play, including already-relegated Fulham.

    However, they may be held back by their failure to put lowly teams to the sword, a big feature of their season. In fact, Wolves have only picked up seven points from their seven games against the bottom five so far.

    In contrast, against the top six, they have a very respectable 13 points from 10 games, so the clashes with Arsenal and Liverpool won’t faze them.

    They also have a game in hand over City and Everton.

    Add all that up and Wolves are the bookmakers’ favourites to be the best of the rest. But could they be held back by their FA Cup heartache?

    Currently: 9th, 46 points

    Remaining fixtures: Fulham (A), Man United (H), Palace (A), Burnley (H), Spurs (A)

    Average position of remaining opponents: 11th

    Odds of finishing 7th: 4/1

    Much like Leicester, Everton have re-entered the race for seventh with a run of excellent form, beating Chelsea, West Ham and Arsenal to return to the top half and turn around what looked set to be a disappointing season under Marco Silva.

    Despite recent tests against top-six contenders, the Toffees still have a couple more to come in the shape of Manchester United and Spurs, though they will approach them more confidently given their recent wins.

    Championship-bound Fulham and certain-to-be-safe Crystal Palace do not have much left to play for and Everton will fancy their chances there.

    But, they have played a game more than Wolves and Watford, and they only have two matches remaining at Goodison Park.

    It will take a big effort to clinch seventh.

    Currently: 10th, 46 points

    Remaining fixtures: Arsenal (H), Huddersfield (A), Southampton (H), Wolves (H), Chelsea (A), West Ham (H)

    Average position of remaining opponents: 11th

    Odds of finishing 7th: 5/2

    After their superb comeback against Wolves at Wembley, the FA Cup final will rightly be Watford’s priority for the remainder of the season.

    But given the enormous task that is beating Pep Guardiola’s Manchester City, they cannot take their eye off the Premier League.

    Like Wolves, Watford have a game in hand, while their remaining opponents are evenly spread around the division.

    They have to face two top-six sides, two mid-table rivals and two from the scrap at the bottom, including already-down Huddersfield.

    Also aiding the Hornets’ seventh-place push is their home-away split. They have four matches left at Vicarage Road, and just two more away trips.

    Can Javi Gracia keep up his side’s concentration with the FA Cup final looming? If so, they stand a big chance.
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  27. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

  28. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    At least we know that finishing 7th will guarantee us Europe.

    Leicester have a tough final 3 matches & who knows how Sunday's defeat will affect Wolves. We mustn't lose to them.

    I can see Everton winning their next 4, even though one is at home to Man Utd.

    Although not included, West Ham may have lost yesterday but it was to Chelsea, they still have to play us and Leicester.

    58-59 points will do it for whoever finishes 7th.
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  29. It’s in our own hands. No one can take Europa league from us, we can only lose it. COYH
  30. I think we can still finish 7th the as long as we beat Wolves and the other games go as you would expect on paper.
  31. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    A shame, then, that they will be played on grass.
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  32. lm_wfc

    lm_wfc Squad Player

    Not had a football season this long in years. I've got used to not paying attention from Christmas
  33. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! First Year Pro

    Are we safe yet?
  34. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    One more point needed so that Cardiff can't catch us.
  35. BusheyOrn

    BusheyOrn First Year Pro

    Great result from Newcastle tonight! Helps us no end :)

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