Watford Fc - Set Piece Shamble Experts

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by NathWFC, Mar 7, 2020.

  1. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    @reids maybe I missed it but I thought you were working fro Millwall?
     
  2. reids

    reids First Team

    They didn't want to pay me (I was working for free) so after helping them get 10 goals from corners I thought the work I was doing was deserving of getting paid so left at the end of 18/19 (also having an interview with Man City during the summer break, where I got down to the final 5 applicants also reaffirmed that) and have now been doing freelance work for various clubs around the world instead until a club hopefully hires me full-time.
     
  3. reids

    reids First Team

    Dawson, from a corner with an overhead kick. What timeline is this?
     
  4. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

  5. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Hang on, Reids started working for Brighton and they got their equaliser with a well worked short corner routine...?
     
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  6. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    This wasn't one of yours then?
     
  7. reids

    reids First Team

    Haha not my work sadly, had my meeting with Brighton and they might wanna commission me to do some research projects for them in the offseason. I showed them my research projects and analysis that showed the best way to attack different defensive systems and showed them my findings for zonal setups (since most of their next games are against zonal setups and he said "well you've basically just described what we're planning to do over the next few games". Will be doing an analysis for them for their penultimate game of the season against Newcastle though but they probably won't use it (and I might not even do that as I've just signed a team who are actually paying me so dates dependent may have to focus on that!)

    Nope!
     
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  8. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Ironic we broke the set piece famine yesterday, but it was more of a goalmouth scramble really :D
     
  9. reids

    reids First Team

    Yeah, there was absolutely nothing good about that corner other than the finish!
     
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  10. reids

    reids First Team

    Hope Nige was watching the West Ham vs Chelsea game yesterday. Chelsea conceded 2 from corners (1 wrongly ruled out.

    Chelsea have the worst defensive record in the league from corners this season with 9 goals conceded from 109 corners faced (8.25% conceded rate) which is astonishingly bad
     
  11. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I just hope for Chelsea's sake Frank remembers to rotate whoever they put as the first nearpost defender. Could be bruising experience otherwise if the same guy has to cop every corner we attempt.
     
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  12. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    You're the stats guy, when's the last time we scored a direct header from a corner? I seem to recall one hitting Cathcart at Wembley last season but not sure it counts as a direct header.
     
  13. simpleMASH

    simpleMASH Reservist

    Can’t see us winning a corner on Saturday so our proficiency at them is kind of a moot point.
     
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  14. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Poor bloke will get concussion!
     
  15. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Cathcart v Spurs at home last season.

    And we also scored from a free kick that game too

    At Wembley Lloris punched the ball on Cathcart's head - like you say does that count ?
    .
     
  16. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    So nearly two years. That's unacceptable.
     
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  17. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Well it's 4 since we scored from a direct free kick !
     
  18. reids

    reids First Team

    As others have said, it was Cathcart on 30th Jan 2019 against Spurs. He also scored a direct header a couple of weeks before that against Palace.
     
  19. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    I'd rather they just kicked the ball off for a throw on when we have a corner - it'll waste some time and we won't get done on the counter when the ball gets smashed up the pitch from the inevitable rebound off the first man
     
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  20. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Watford corners. Usually hit the first man. Secondary possession is lost and we are exposed on the counter. More often than not the opposition score as a result.

    Even our throw ins. Appalling. Little movement for the thrower. The receiver is telegraphed and then merely hoofs it out of play or back to the opposition. Something GT never tolerated. And likewise in an attacking sense it's rare that we get success from them. Often the throw is looped up with no pace and never even finds a Watford head to be flicked on. There is no variation. How about a low flat throw into the chest of Deeney with a lay off or someone moving off in another direction to come into space ? It can work . We scored one against Liverpool.
     
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  21. reids

    reids First Team

    One thing I haven't seen any P

    teams do (that I would definitely try if I were in a club!) is something like the below (although it is dependent on having a target-man up top)



    Sheffield United have a well rehearsed routine (that I think is taken from an old Sarri routine) that has netted them 2 goals from throw-ins this season. Nice and simple, throw, move into space and cross:

    https://streamable.com/z9bdvh
     
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  22. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    Throw ins is something we’re going through with our u-10’s. They only play 8 a side but I find it a good lesson on creating space as an individual (pin a defender, stand still in space or move against the flow of play) This sort of stuff should be basic natural stuff for a pro but we can’t even seem to take the throw correctly. One golden rule is you should never lose possession when delivered by hand. But again we now have gone in the other direction and even Big Ben has started giving the opponents the ball.


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  23. reids

    reids First Team

  24. PowerJugs

    PowerJugs Doyley Fanatic

    Or just hire Reids as a set piece analysist.
     
  25. reids

    reids First Team

    That as well, but obviously something wrong with their coaching as well!
     
  26. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    They won't sell many shirts with 'Reids' on the back though. What's the upper limit, 8? Dependant on how his dating life is these days obviously.
     
  27. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I was going to make a crack about 40 grand a week being a little on the heavy side for wages BUT an improvement in league place by one is worth (please note all these numbers I'm pulling out of my arse) about £200k(?), Europe league £500k+(?), Champions league £1M+(?) plus all the 'knock on effects' to intangibles such as brand values let alone the exposure and increase in your players' values...
     
  28. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    I’m pretty sure each place up the PL is worth over £1m these days.
     
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  29. reids

    reids First Team

    The 40k was for a season rather than a week! That's why I think it's so mental that every PL club doesn't have someone full time on set-pieces. It's such a cheap area to improve on and with a third of all goals coming from set-pieces the cost to benefit ratio really makes it a no brainer

    Dating life is pretty tragic these days as I'm now engaged haha
     
  30. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Back of a fag packet calculation suggests that in the 36 weeks of the season @reids 'could earn' £1.44m...
     
  31. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

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    I like stats and this is a damning one. Even more embarrassing that the guys running the club can’t address a simple issue and continue to ignore our man Reids. Poor!

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  32. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    This is an amazing statistic, we are 3 times worse than Norwich and they are already relegated!!!

    WFC Coaches please take note and do something about our amazingly poor set piece conversion rate, you are all supposed to be PROFESSIONALS and this is just RANK AMATEUR :mad::mad::mad:
     
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  33. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    The 2 oldest squads well down on anyone else ?

    Maybe shows a lack of movement and sharpness to make runs ..
     
  34. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    If goal kicks count as set-pieces, Leicester have demonstrated an ineptitude which puts in the shade anything Watford have done. Maybe another job for Reids.
     
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  35. reids

    reids First Team

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    The current Premier League table, with each teams Goal Difference, followed by Set-Piece GD and Set-Piece Expected Goals GD

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