Watford Fc - Set Piece Shamble Experts

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by NathWFC, Mar 7, 2020.

  1. reids

    reids Squad Player

    Forgot to post here, but I've now finished: https://public.tableau.com/profile/stuart.reid3110#!/vizhome/PLCornerDashboard1920/Dashboard1

    So, from a Watford perspective, we all know we're poor from corners but here's the data to back it up:

    Attacking deliveries from the left

    As we know, we've spent a large proportion of the season hitting our corners straight into the first man. This could be down to poor delivery or it could be down to a high risk/high reward strategy of launching the ball into that near post area where a single touch would see the ball sent towards the goal at a very close range which would cause problems for any keeper. Either way, this hasn't worked as we've generated a paltry 2 shots in this area with another 1 coming from the main danger area of between the penalty spot and the 6-yard line. If I were lining up against us, I wouldn't bother defending the back-post at all as never seem to teach the back of the 6-yard area, making us easy and predictable to defend against.


    Attacking Deliveries from the right

    A similar story to the left, we're slightly better at hitting that central zone, but again the huge clump of losses in the near corner of the 6-yard area is ridiculous for just the one-shot gained in that area. Also a curious number of balls played into the near post area which is odd and definitely not a great way of trying to get goals.


    Shot map (both sides)

    Our shot map is again pretty damning, just 4 shots from inside the penalty area (from 133 corners taken) and just the 1 shot on target. What is interesting though is that Kabasele shows up here as having a good grouping for shots in a decent area, so at least he's consistent (and that's a good area to attack) which gives hope that if the delivery is improved, his shot numbers will likely go up which will give goals. I've attached Norwichs shot-map below, who have had 1 more corner than us to give an example of what this should look like.


    Norwich Shot Map (both sides)

    Watford Defensive (Left)

    Onto the defensive side, we seem to defend the 6-yard area really well which is a positive, although there seems to be a weakness towards the back-post.

    Defensive Right

    Again, for the most part, the 6-yard area is defended relatively well, can't have too many complaints about this.

    Defensive Shot Map (both sides)

    Not terrible but not great either, overall decent at stopping shots from happening which is always a positive

    Foster successful claims

    Using the shirt number filter you can see actions via shirt number, one thing I like doing in my analysis is seeing how active the goalkeeper is (aka do you want to put someone on him to hinder them coming to claim) and this shows that Foster is pretty active, often coming to claim at least up to the 6-yard line. Interestingly although he ventures up to the 6-yard line, he tends to take pretty straight runs and doesn't venture to claim balls at weird angles like Guaita does (below)

  2. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Great effort Reeds, well done mate have you sent this to the club?
  3. AshdonWFC

    AshdonWFC Prediction League Champion 2011/12

    It’s been months since we’ve seen a game, but visualising all of those short corners, and corners hitting the first man actually pains me, even now.

    Definitely a positive of lockdown, not being subjected to that week in week out!
  4. reids

    reids Squad Player

    Not yet although the backroom staff are already well aware that this is an area we've been really poor in. When there's a date set for the return of the PL then I'll send it to them and ask if they want me to do an analysis for that game (since I'd done one for them for the Leicester game that was postponed!)
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  5. Arakel

    Arakel First Team

    How do you like Tableau? We've been deliberating between that and PowerBI, but I haven't had the opportunity to use Tableau yet.

    It's a lot more expensive than PowerBI, though, which makes it a harder sell...
  6. reids

    reids Squad Player

    I really like it, but on the flip side haven't used PowerBI so sadly can't compare the 2. I also use Tableau Public which is free so luckily don't have to worry about the cost!
  7. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Is Guaita really good at claiming corners, or is Foster just bad at it?
  8. reids

    reids Squad Player

    It's only tracking the successes, but Guaita absolutely loves it - he's basically ready to sprint out and claim whenever whereas Foster tends to be a bit more conservative
  9. reids

    reids Squad Player

    Been chasing my contact at the club about continuing for the rest of the season but haven't had a reply.

    So I have a meeting with Brighton tomorrow instead.
  10. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Good luck mate.
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  11. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player


    You're willing to help the club you support get relegated for a few quid?
  12. reids

    reids Squad Player

    The club I support didn't want my help for free so why not try to further my career if I've got the opportunity? Brighton reached out to me, so I don't see anything wrong with it!
  13. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    How about keep persisting with Watford, given that they'd been open to your input not too long ago? Then if you must help out Brighton at least hold off until next season.
  14. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    What's wrong with it is imagine if Brighton survive at Watford's expense, having earned a point or two from one of your routines? I can't believe you're entertaining the thought given the current circumstances.

    How about giving Watford another try, stating that if you can't help them, you'll help a relegation rival stay up instead?
  15. Absolutely right. You gave WFC a chance and if they don't use your services your conscience should be 100% clear. However don't forget the "all defenders to stand in the centre circle" tactic for defensive corners. Works a treat.
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  16. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    Would you prioritise Watford's status in the Premier League over your employment status?
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  17. luke_golden

    luke_golden Space Cadet

    I hope Brighton relegate us via a reids set-piece routine.

    The forum needs a new villain.

    Good luck, reids.
  18. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Of course it depends on how much time and money you're talking about, but for the sake of holding off until this season is finished and what might not be a huge fee, then probably.
  19. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    Brighton need a win to catch watford on final day? Would you scuttle their corner routines like a special agent?

    Seriously dont listen, its your career, do what's best for you and let watford fend for themselves.
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  20. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Yeah, threats are always a good way to endear yourself to a potential employer.
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  21. reids

    reids Squad Player

    I've sent 3 messages during the break offering to continue for free for the rest of the season and haven't had a reply to any of them, I'm not going to message and throw out the "well if you don't want me i'll go work for x instead" as the ball is already in Watford's court, I'm here and willing to work for free if they're also willing, but perhaps circumstances have changed and this is an area they've focused a lot on in the break and now feel they can do in-house without my help. Working in the PL has been the goal I've been working towards for the last 7 years and if that means sometimes working against the club I support then so be it, most people in football have to do the same. The job > club loyalties

    That being said, nothing is set in stone with Brighton, it's only a chat with their analysis department (although i've had meetings with Graham Potter and his coaching staff before when they were at Swansea!) to go through the work i'm doing
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  22. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Good luck. I presume at Brighton your masterplan will be 'put it on Dunk's head'?
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  23. Shhh, for ****'s sake don't help him. Dunk is awful in the air.
  24. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    How about he tries to earn a living.
    On the flip side of this, I hope you're sh1t at your job @reids
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  25. reids

    reids Squad Player

    Or Burns. Or Duffys. Or Websters.
  26. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    If you get the Brighton job make sure you give them **** tactics for when they play us ;)
  27. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Given Brighton's run in they will probably be defending a lot and relying on their set plays !
  28. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    I hope it goes well Reids and Brighton relegate us. A much nicer club than ours will ever be.
  29. HappyHornet24

    HappyHornet24 Crapster Staff Member

    I also hope it goes well and that both we and Brighton stay up. Great away day at Brighton.
  30. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    It’s also future earnings as well though. You’d be a mug not to put your career ahead of a football team.
  31. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    I’m surprised you haven’t received ANY response to your messages - doesn’t feel right.

    Stating the obvious, have they been received?, have they been read by the right people at the club?, have you phoned the club? etc

    It just feels wrong reids that you clearly have something to offer but there is not even an acknowledgement that your offer has been viewed or considered by anyone at the club.
    What do they have to lose just to sit down and let you talk it through?

    Surely a polite ‘thanks but no thanks’ message back is the least you could expect?
  32. reids

    reids Squad Player

    They've definitely been received and read (by one of the first team coaches). It's just all gone a bit quiet, before the break they said they liked my analysis and came to the same conclusions but now can't get a reply!

    That being said people working at clubs get LOTS of messages, I often don't get a reply, sometimes I get a reply saying "not at this time, but thanks" after I've sent 6 messages over 6 months with no reply.

    Clubs and their staff can often be blind/scared of their own job security by accepting they need outside help, I pitched myself to a championship team earlier in the season and they told me they already have an analyst doing what I'm doing, I mean of course you do as it's a huge part of the game but this club were rock bottom of the set-piece table at the time and refused to believe they needed help and this is not a rare occurrence.

    I'm hoping that the post-Corona football landscape will force clubs to be a bit smarter with their money. Or it could go the other way and then there be no money to pay me with!
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  33. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    Good luck reids.
  34. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    Good luck Reid’s, if you end up with Brighton I still hope you continue to observe Watford and share your views on here.
    As you say nearly everyone in football works for a team they don’t support and if you can get your foot in the door elsewhere you got to go for it. Could be Watford’s biggest loss in the Pozzo era.

    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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  35. Opportunity missed for typical Pozzo deal.
    Sign Reids up on 5 year deal at £1k a week.
    Loan to Spanish Segunda division.
    Sell to Barca for €30m in 2 years time.
    What is happening to our club ?

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