Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Smudger, Aug 8, 2015.
Now if it had been Holebas it’d have been worth analysing.
Muff shouldn't have been awarded either penalty and they should have been down to 10 men following that vicious elbow.
I expect that with VAR next season that Muff will be lower down the league.
Only just watched it after falling asleep in a Greek food induced nap!
Ok not a lot of comments but can't really complain. In fact a little amazed that they didn't even bother going over the penalty. Something I'm sure Cardiff fans watching would be thinking something like Lineker must hate them for some reason?!!
Can’t believe what some of you moan about!
The game was played on Friday therefore highlights have been going round for at least 24 hours before Match Of The Day airs.
We’re above West Ham because we both played on Friday but we scored more goals and had a hat trick. Burnley were first because their win was the biggest story. Perfectly logical.
Get out of here with your logic and common sense, we'll have none of that here. You'll need to contribute to the Lineker effigy we're burning on all hallows morning outside the FA.
I have not got a problem with the running order as it was a Friday night game, was half expecting it to be behind Wet Spam though despite more goals, wonder if they will do the old switcheroo on Motd2 tonight and have us last?
Loved the way they showed just our goals, you would get more highlights and post match comments from a 0-0
Worth waiting up for? No given they showed the goals/penalty incident on football focus and we saw nothing new
Worth sitting through ads for other programmes mid show? Hell no
Worth watching recorded? Yes (Just for the goals/penalty incident)
Verdict - Could do better Motd
This is the one and only contribution I will make to the ‘Lineker hates Watford and is totally biased against us’ debate.
That is all
They could at least have shown Clev hitting the post. Maybe TD's effort that was saved and GD's effort past the post too.
Liked especially for 'gormless'.
I take exception with the gormless reference as this would imply that these pundits would have at one stage had gorm or indeed aspired to achieving gorm
Shouldn’t it be gormfewer?
Ince made a very disparaging remark re Del Boy very good when he turns up but doesn't always turn up!, although true surely that is the sort of thing said on a message board or down the pub, not on national T.V.
Apparently Wolves 0-2 Liverpool (a Friday kick off) was second in the running order earlier in the season. So Friday kick offs are ALWAYS last, except for when it's a two-goal thriller involving the top 6.
For what it's worth, I think the format is beyond tired and out-dated. Pretty much exactly the same highlights they showed were available on the Sky Sports website minutes/hours after the game concluded. If you're watching MOTD for the analysis, even the greatest pundits out there would struggle to say anything insightful about Watford in the 27 seconds they're given. The best thing for people to do is just not watch it, even if you are just watching it for how bad it is.
I think you’ll find it’s just another way of saying inconsistent. If I were disparaging I’d say Ince does not have the word “inconsistent” in his vocabulary.
Why not? At least he was being truthful and not just saying nice things.
I had a check the other day re Friday night games.
In my mind they are always shown last on Motd. While i found that isn't always the case.. 3 of the 4 previous occasions this season the Friday game was last on.
I could be wrong but i think it's normally just a goals round up as well. Unless something really dramatic has occurred.
This wont appease the anti-Hornet theorists though.
Not sure what all the fuss is about. MOTD, like any TV programme, aims to get as many viewers as they can. It therefore appeals more to neutral fans than die-hard fans, and top team-supporting fans than others. It also aims to appeal to fans of football who don't know that much about the game but just want to catch the highlights, more than football obsessives who know much more than the average pundit (which tbh isn't that difficult - footballers are generally speaking a pretty thick lot).
As a die-hard, non-top 6 team-supporting football obsessive (ie. long time Watford fan) I understand that MOTD isn't aimed at me. So I don't care where Watford are in the MOTD order, or who says what about us. I like to watch the highlights of all matches and if not watching it live on Sat night will usually ffwd through the punditry. It is what it is.
Howe has feral cunning.
He’ll sense immediately where the boundaries are & get his rabid troupe to push right up to them.
Over £30k a week.
He is on screen for only about 10 mins & brings nothing original to the presentation.
Time to do a GT & sub off this old fraud.
Just watched Bournemouth game on motd. Where are we discussing the cheating little *****?
Agree with this post 110% (as a pundit might say).
I dont have Sky
Holy bloody crapbags. I just sat through the whole of goals on Sunday on sky and they showed every game except ours!!!
More intent on further massaging Liverpool and Manu egos by chatting to sodding Luis Garcia and Olly Murs than actually showing and talking about... you know... the goals?!!!
So the Greek food wasn’t eaten in Greece.
Did they show West Ham? If so, in this case, that is a bit ********. I’m all for not bothering if the game is crap or not much happened but if they’ve ignored a team in 7th winning any Prem league game 5-1 away and is the only one of only 6 they had to show then that’s a bit shabby.
To be fair I think maybe they didn't. 2 games missed because they'd rather chat to the panel about their personal lives than show goals. Kinda misleading show title!!!
Post of two halves.
As we know WFC forum is a difficult place to visit but he's dug in and got a result.
He will have to take each post as they come.. but as they say you can only read the post that's in front of you.
Match of the Day, or mainstream football programming to be fair, is almost unique in its programming, by appearing to esteem the hierarchy of Football to the detriment of its viewing figures. I can only think that it is a legacy from the early days where programming was not considered as entertainment, but as "sports news"; therefore being shown in newsworthy order, which fits your description above. However, it does not reflect how an entertainment programme, with its eyes on audience figures would view the matter.
Every other programme on television will hold its audience with constant reminders that what they most want to see will be "coming up", finally showing it as a grand finale. If what you say about the prospective audience is correct, then they are virtually guaranteeing that most of the viewers will have switched off after the first four games. It seems to be par for the course for football for some reason.
Someone mentioned sitting through the ads for future BBC football features. I would put money on it that the timing of those ads has been decided by research into the drop off in viewing figures during the programme. Any other programme would tease you with a big game at the start, and finish with the big news at the end, and they'd probably keep or even grow their audience during the broadcast.
It is incredible that they do what they do, and a mark of utter contempt for the less fashionable clubs in the league that they have such disregard for their own show that they will actually facilitate audience drop off half way through. Might actually be worth lobbying the NFL, as they will be assuming, when their content follows the most watched UK sports programme, that the BBC will know how to manage the audience so that the maximum number of 'sport-fans' will still be in front of the TV.
For the record, I don't think they have a particular bias against us, as I think there are other clubs that get equally crap treatment out of them. The fact is, also, that on occasions, like the goal montage at the end of MOTD2 a month or so back, they occasionally do something that is actually pretty damned good.
Good point.. and good post. Though i now have visions of barely a few thousand hardy souls huddled around their television sets watching the dregs of Motd!
Also if they did get wise to the smallest first philosophy we'd be on here every week saying "we're bloody first on match of the Day again!"
Nothing to disagree with there.
I do wonder if the 10.20pm start is a factor in the 'start with the best / most popular and work down from there' strategy? Even though it's the weekend I don't often stay up to watch it all (even Watford!) but will watch the first couple of matches and, as an early bird, get up in the morning to watch the rest of it. I struggle to stay awake later than 11!
Perhaps the viewing figures are determined in the first 20 mins of the programme? I wouldn't want to sit through eg. Huddersfield v Burnley because at getting on for 11 o'clock I'd be too tired to stay up if they save the 'best' match 'til last.
Excellent points, trouble is it is part of a package that we have to pay £150 per annum for
We'd be better off lobbying the bbc on your points as this is what Man Utd fans did a few years when motd had the gall to put them on late in the show, end of the day Man Utd Liverpool etc by their fanbase size are going to get their way given the way the BBC panders to complaints and has a self inflated idea of it's duty of care to the nation's tv (Can't see many of our liberal bunch raising hell though hence we'll always be near the end) It's a sad endictment that we only mention the occasional good thing that's on motd over a whole season. It was better when there was three feature games on tv even if they were randomly picked and could include a 0-0, there's too much crammed in now even when there's only 7 or so matches to show. Going to the game and then seeing the highlights on Motd can give two totally different views on a game when there's so much left out.
It's included in a package we all have to pay £150 per annum for so anyone who isn't happy with the product should raise their voices whenever possible
Remember the days when they just introduced games and the rest was actual football highlights?!
I guess half of the air time is now taken over with pundits endlessly discussing tactics, contentious decisions, form, replays, stats etc etc. I guess it's what the people want. Most people seem to like the in depth analysis of the game.. especially the controversial stuff.
I don't.. i'd be happier with the punditry being something like the following.. "and here are the highlights from the Cardiff vs Watford game..."
When MoTD came back in 1992 for start of the Premier League, they did highlights of 3 matches and then a goals round up of the others with Life of Riley playing in the background.
I dont really get the bbc bashing over the licence fee. You get no adverts and they provide a wide range of television.
99% of us enjoy at least one of International Rugby, Dr Who, MOTD, Casualty, Pointless, Tipping point, Planet Earth, Bodyguard, Line of Duty or Mr Tumble. If I complain about the news bias i perceive or Watford being last on MOTD, and the bbc dispand, id lose Attenborough and the rest. Wish Cricket hadnt sold out to the commercial stations as I'd now have to pay half a gazillion pounds a month to watch it all.
What days they were! When Anders Limpar was an exotic player from abroad.