Watford FC 2-0 West Ham United - 19/11/2017

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Steve Leo Beleck, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Reservist


    Ahhh the Premier League, the Best League in the Universe™, a thrill-a-minute, any-team-can-beat-any-team footballing utopia - once your team is there, you've made it as a fan. Super Sunday, Soccer Saturday, Monday Night Football, that weird thing on BT Sports where they spend an hour earnestly discussing tweets that fans have sent in - it's wall to wall coverage, the fun never ends. Well, apart from the international breaks after every three games that kill any momentum in the season and leave you weighing up whether or not to force yourself to sit through Jake Livermore and Tammy Abraham donkeying around Wembley, overhitting passes and falling over their own feet. Still, at least on Sunday, we can return to the Premier League rollercoaster and this time ride it uninterrupted all the way into the New Year. All aboard!

    This weekend's visitors to our authentic, old school football ground are charmless cockneys The 'Ammers. They used to play at Upton Park but their fans overwhelmingly voted to move to a disused athletics stadium as it's the kind of thing they thought a "big club" would do. They've spent most of their time at their new stadium fighting each other in the stands to prove how much they care about The Irons, before leaving after 70 minutes to beat the rush after yet another thrashing at home. Even dopey ogre Andy Carroll has noticed this, with all the empty white seats putting him off his core business of elbowing defenders, thus prompting him to issue a rallying cry this week for the West Ham fans to be more like Palace's: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...early-crystal-palace-late-goals-a8039731.html. Anyway, a trip to the Vic on Sunday should remind them what a proper football stadium looks like and what they chose to throw away in their futile pursuit of becoming London's fifth or sixth biggest team.


    West Ham will undoubtedly be buoyed by the appointment of the innovative, up-and-coming manager Davey Moyes. This cheerful Scot was highly sought after following his successful spells at Sunderland, Real Sociedad and Manchester United, where his teams were renowned for playing some fast-paced, cutting edge football. If that wasn't enough to worry about, the Bubble Blowers have also hired former Watford stalwart Billy McKinlay as one of their assistant managers, alongside Stuart "Psycho" Pearce and one time West Brom caretaker Alan Irvine. Make no mistake, this is a formidable collection of British coaching innovators, I mean when did Guardiola or Mourinho ever think about putting a goalkeeper upfront in a game they needed to win to get into Europe?

    Some early team news - lots of players are injured for us. Prodl did play 45 minutes in a behind-closed-doors friendly so should be available for some proper games around January time. No word on Kabasele who didn't feature in the Belgium squad after being injured against Everton. Gomes should be fit after his own knock in the same game, but it's not a problem if he's not, as Karnezis bounced back with a top performance for Croatia against Greece: https://twitter.com/yunanfutbolu/status/928713921518882817

    Andre Carrillo will be flying back from Peru's playoff second leg against New Zealand in the early hours of Thursday, so may or may not fancy playing, same as Winston Reid for them. Luckily, the rest of our squad aren't good enough to get in their respective national teams, so we'll have had two uninterrupted weeks to work on defending corners, just like we did before the Stoke game. Deeney is still suspended for squashing Joe Allen's head in so Okaka should make the bench again. Their top scorer Javier Hernandez went off injured with a hamstring strain whilst playing for Mexico at the weekend so is a doubt but more worrying for us is that bogeyman Michail Antonio is available - he's got six goals in his last seven games against us, spanning appearances for Sheffield Wednesday, Nottingham Forest and West Ham.

    Prediction: It's going to be another game where we come up against a team with no intention of playing any football as Moyes won't want to lose his first game so will set up to frustrate, time-waste and nick one from a set piece via Antonio. It's going to be Stoke all over again, time to see if Silva can come up with a blueprint to beat this type of dross, or whether we'll once again get sucked down to their level.
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  2. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Reservist

    we'll lose 2-0. Silva is finished here (he may well be gone by then anyway).
  3. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss Squad Player

    I would like to see Okaka start ahead of Gray for this one as his technique and close game is better than Gray and therefor more useful against a team with 11 men behind the ball.
  4. Meh!

    Meh! Squad Player

    Nice write up. Enjoyed that.

    I've had a word with the lads. Told them we need a reaction after Everton. They are pumped up for it.

    3-1 Watford. Dacoure, Capoue, Richarlison.
  5. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard Squad Player

    Looking forward to conceding from a corner because of zonal marking, going to be funny.
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  6. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Although, like most Englishmen of a certain vintage, I've always had a soft spot for West Ham, with their athletics stadium, a chairman that attends every match dressed as a Russian Admiral (or whatever fancy dress outfit it is that he wears) and now Moyes as manager, it's impossible not to snigger at the Irons these days. Let's hope Moyes has had plenty of time on the training ground with the players since he arrived to get his ideas across - thereby guaranteeing an emphatic home win
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  7. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Are those filthy east end porn pedlars still in charge at West Ham?

    They're a club that sold their soul and all that's left is a hollowed out, empty facsimile playing in a concrete bowl. No wonder their faux-cockernee, pot-belly, cab driver 'fans' are abandoning them in droves.

    I think the worst thing is that pathetic 'London' they've added below their badge.

    Nobody with any knowledge of English football needs telling that West Ham are from the capital's eastern suburbs, so it makes it blindingly obvious that it's aimed at the soccer tourist from the far east and the wild west.

    Walk down Oxford Street, visit Madam Tussauds, eat some fish and fries, buy a union jack t-shirt, watch the famous West London Ham at the famous London bowl in the famous Premi-air League! Tick, tick, tick and tick! Now on to Paris and Rome!
  8. Oscar calling

    Oscar calling Squad Player

    All depends whether Andy Carroll plays. If he does he will destroy our current defenders and they will win 3-1. If not we will sneak a 1-0.
  9. Sort of OK

    Sort of OK Academy Graduate

    As long as we keep Brooking tightly marked we'll be OK, they haven't got anyone else that can pick a pass.

    Oh.. apart the little fella that sounds like a £2.99 bottle of sparkling wine, keep him quiet too and we'll win.
  10. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Are we talking about the same Carol Andy? The big delicate girl with the pony tail who's always crocked?

    Think he's out until Xmas with chipped fingernail varnish and a hole in his tights.
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  11. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Watford 0-1 Wet Spam ( Brooking 89")
  12. 0-1 written all over it
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  13. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    The little pee, Hernandez, looks to be out with hamstring trouble picked up on international duty. Carol's not out yet, but doubtlessly will either pick up a knock in training during the week or if he makes it through to KO will be subbed off after 20 mins with some sort of injury.

    Lanzini will be unsettled by talk of a move to a more accomplished club. Arnautovic is a hopeless, lazy, wage-collecting dolt who is hated by West Ham fans and who hates them back just as much in return. Reid will still be trying to get his bags off the carousel at Gatwick. Hart's a useless liability in goal. Antonio is a championship standard player who's got lucky. Zabaleta is living on past glories. Ogbonna (sp?) and Kouyarti (sp?) are just plain duds. Noble is an old man who it appears is kept on for sentimental reasons.

    I really can't see us winning this by less than three clear goals.
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  14. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    He is,even by football's alarmingly low standards,a complete and utter sap! Sullivan does select his garments from the dressing up box indeed!

    I like Carroll but that's Lewis not Andy.

    Here's hoping for Wonderland not The Jabberwock!
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  15. The PozzMan

    The PozzMan Squad Player

    One of my favourite moments since our return to the PL is Carroll’s attempt at a Cruyff turn in his own area allowing Iggy to score in our first season.
  16. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    Or keeping the bookish theme..

    The Lion, the Bitch and the Porno.

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  17. Jossy

    Jossy First Year Pro

    I fear this will be exactly the case. Okaka needs to start (but he won't). To be clear - I haven't elevated him to world class status - just that his physical approach might be needed to bash down the predictable 9-1-0 formation that Moyes will use to get us an early lead, changing the whole dynamic of the match. Once he's knackered after 60 mins (ok, 20 mins), then we can put Gray on to get in behind them after they have reverted to the more adventurous 8-1-1.
  18. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    I suspect that the machine tools Gino makes aren't the same ones that the Davids video. Karren might be keen though.
  19. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Academy Graduate

    Good write up

    This is def a must win for us, if we don’t win, we will either loose or draw - and as mentioned before neither of those is as good as winning

    3-1 to us , Capoue starts and the first 15 mins are dire, Deeney sensing the need to restore his Capatainness (not sure it’s a word) runs onto the pitch takes out Capoue forcing the gaffer to bring on Okaka to support Gray up front , the result of Okaka, Pereya, Chalobah, Richarlison and Doucoure on the same pitch at the same time results in the impossible , 1st on MOTD Sunday edition and Lawro predicts we win the following week.
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  20. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Heavy defeat. They've got a new manager, we have one who either wants to leave or has left and a squad that's too busy jetting around the world meeting John Terry and getting some sun to handle a cold Sunday afternoon against West Ham.

    Hope remains that the game will be called off for some reason so we can put back the pain for another week.
  21. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache First Year Pro

    It ain't going to be pretty. All the pre match build up will be about Moyes. All the spotlight on him. We need to get an early goal (cliche but true) but get the Spammers on his back straight away.
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  22. kVA

    kVA Reservist

    West ‘Am have fallen a long way since they won the World footballing Cup back in the twentieth century. The outstanding quality of those players during that period has never been matched and to this day they are the only league team to ever be allowed enter the competition. To top it all they won it at the first attempt! This brought that fine group players celebrity and stardom usually reserved for pop stars, train robbers and their beloved Krays.

    It’s a shame that in a nano second they forgot all of that history and moved from Upton Park, sorry, the Bo’lin’ ground. I suppose if you’re offered a free stadium with no ongoing running costs you’d at least consider it. This brings to mind the strange fact that nobody ever called Upton Park the Boyleyn Ground until the point they were trying to sell it!

    During the 70’s, the dashing Bobby Moore was apparently all set to use his fame to turn Watford FC into a fashionable club. Unfortunately this never came to fruition as the Watford chairman at the time chose the safe option and appointed an unknown manager from lowly Lincoln City.

    Most ‘ammers fans are Essex dwellers now but still bang on about Bow bells like some cockney version of hunchback. Listen to them and you’d think that East London is the height of human evolution. They boast about their solidarity during German bombing raids and will tell stories of how they single handedly beat Hitler whilst hiding in Stepney tube station or somewhere. They all love Ronnie and Reggie and of course all grew up with them.

    Since the passing of mockney Bob Hoskins, Kent Born Ray Winston has taken over the cockney in Hollywood position. If you listen to the quality of his dropped aitches and other ‘mouthful of saliva’ pronounciations and compare them to Danny Dyer’s there is no competition and you can see why the latter is now only in Eastenders. Ex-Queen Vic landlady, Barbara Windsor, will hold a special place in the hearts of many male members of this forum due to her outstanding performance in Carry On Camping when she made two perfect points to the leering and dirty laughing Sid James.

    I’ve got a bit carried away with my ‘ammer ‘ating here so I’ll finish off by saying how I’d love to see them go down and spend a decade or two wallowing around the lower end of the championship.

    Will West Ham benefit from manager bounce? Has Silva learned anything from previous matches? Have the players lost confidence? Will the crowd observe the 90 minutes silence? Are West Ham just Shiite this season? I just don’t know anymore and will have bow to expert predictors such as Merson and Lawrenson.

    2-2 Richarlison and Andy Carillo
  23. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    Not just bookish but Lewis and Oxford bookish:CS Lewis and Lewis Carroll!
    I'm sure this unholy trinity are big devotees and are discussing last night's dramatisation of Forster in this cheery picture!
  24. Oscar calling

    Oscar calling Squad Player

    Will Andy Scott be managing us for this game?
  25. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Reservist

    Hopefully silva is gone so we can start with okaka and maybe win a game for once.
  26. ITKJim

    ITKJim First Year Pro

    We'll smash them. Stoke knew how to put men behind the ball and defend, West Ham do not. Hayden Mullins gets a win against his old club in his only game as caretaker.

    3-1 (Richarlison, Gray x2)
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  27. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Academy Graduate

    Oh, I don't know. I think there might be some goals. At both ends, mind.
    Injuries, managerial bounce and just the general unknowingness of football mean it is difficult to predict the result.
  28. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Reservist

    Hopefully Gomes is back because I am not 100% sure that Karnezis is actually a goalkeeper. Hopefully we will see the return of Prödl as Carroll will be a handful in the air. I think its good news that Hernandez will miss this one as he would have been their main threat. I though Gray had a decent game against Everton so would be happy to see him start. Will be a tough one against a side with a new manager that has something to prove but then again is Moyes really all that he has hardly done anything positive since leaving Everton.
  29. Steel City Gold

    Steel City Gold Academy Graduate

    Attack Attack Attack!!!

    Unless, of course, Going Bedroom Down intimates otherwise.

    If they get a corner?


    Unless etc.
  30. Teide1

    Teide1 Reservist

    I think unless we see some goals it will be 0-0
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  31. Chumlax

    Chumlax Reservist

    Our players had better turn up for this one on Sunday, otherwise there may not even be a game at all.
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  32. Markoa$

    Markoa$ Reservist

    We have got to be winning this. Nothing less than a win is acceptable.

    West Ham are pap and have no cojones. Didn’t Carroll recently come out and say that they are too good to go down so they are not worried?

    Dangerous thinking if true.

    Get an early goal and they will be rocking, get a second before HT and Moyes won’t know how to inspire them. Get a third by the 60th minute and their fans will turn on them. Add a fourth by the 80th and give them a consolation goal from a corner in the 92nd minute.

    Watford 4-1 West Ham.
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  33. .....Scored by Carroll as he outjumps Tom C and a flapping Karnezis.
    Both teams could be under new managers by Sunday. Agree with others, this has 0-1 written all over it with 2 new long term injuries and Holebas sent off and banned.
  34. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    I'm less surprised about your name dropping and obsession, more surprised you didn't create a laughable new thread to do it.
  35. Teide1

    Teide1 Reservist

    Stuart Attwell is 4th official on Sunday, lets hope he stays off the pitch!
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