Watford Fc 1-2 Qpr - 01/02/2021

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Sort of OK, Jan 27, 2021.

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  1. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    I don't think Ngakia played particularly badly. He was exposed by Hughes playing a more-or-less mid-field role. QPR had done their homework (as have several other coaches this season) and targeted our left flank (in the first half 61% of their attacks were down their right). He is also right-footed, not really a left back; he gave the left foot a go occasionally, but his right foot is why he's a professional. He's also young and inexperienced, lest we forget it. He was 'hung out to dry' by poor recruitment, poor team selection and by Warburton's astute planning.
     
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  2. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    I also don't think Troost-Ekong played badly, except from the first goal (scored by an expert goal-scorer from a pin-point cross). He got through a lot of defensive work excellently and had, I thought, one of his better games. The fact that he, and the other defenders, had to do so much work is what concerns me much more.
     
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  3. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    What little I'd seen of QPR this season showed them to be a side who played good, well-planned football which broke down in front of the opposition goal. Once they start to actually take the chances they create, which they did last night, and if they can keep that up, they will move up the league. They marmalized Bournemouth earlier this season, without actually scoring.
     
  4. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Watford's sluggish 'transitioning' has driven me nuts for years. Munoz seems to have problems with getting them to change this, although it seems he would like to. This may be because he is a second-rate puppet, undermined by the hierarchy, or it maybe because it is in too many of the players' genes to play that way. Probably both.
     
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  5. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Munoz must speak through a translator (including when he is coaching?), a la Bielsa/early Pochettino. Unless we assume his limited English is part of a smoke-screen used by Pozzo.
     
  6. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    The defence was exposed due to our lack of ability to stay on the front foot .

    They cannot save us every game .
     
  7. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Chair's stats were incredible considering he'd not had one assist all season. He's a £10/15m player in a few years with the right brain. Him and Ball ran the show.

    Skilful players as part of a plan with a decent, clever coach.

    That's all it takes to beat us as we have none of those things.
     
  8. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    As I say, the Pozzo model includes quite a lot of smoke-screen between him and us. Some of this is necessary, of course, as at any club.
    But I strongly suspect that, when we try to analyse Watford's current failings (and not forgetting they are still strongly placed for promotion - there is still a lot of the season left) it all boils down to a lack of money.
    Slice it any way you like, English top-level football is a money-game.
    We may be broke.
    It may have taken a series of poor decisions to get there, but it also may explain a number of apparently weird choices made recently.
     
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  9. Malteser2

    Malteser2 Reservist

    Much as though most of us got fed up with it during the last few months of Ivic, I think as we were missing both our regular full-backs last night, there was a good case for reverting to 3-5-2 for one match only. Or even 3-4-3. That way Ngakia could play on his natural side, and Sema could have started. 3-4-3 would have allowed Hughes to play centrally alongside Cleverley or Chalobah, with Sarr, Pedro and Deeney up top.

    Once again it seems we have an inflexible coach wedded to a particular formation, and happier to then play people out of their best position and/or on their wrong side rather than changing the formation to fit the players he has available.
     
  10. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Munoz's comments are a major red flag. "I didn't give the importance". Does this shower of a squad need telling each and every game is important?

    I'm disappointed at the lack of incomings in the window just gone but delighted that we are making headway in clearing players out. Lots more to go yet and even more in the summer when we don't go up.

    Moan about Gray and Munoz as much as you want but even if they left today this squad still isn't going up.
     
  11. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    I'm upset because I was expecting more of this:
     
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  12. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    I mean, we literally had two right footers playing on the left and for 45 minutes watched as wave after wave came down that side. Chair realised this and basically placed himself out there.

    Our coach didn't make one attempt to change it. Just let it ride.
     
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  13. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    We know his English is not the best, but I don't understand why he's said that. I think he was trying to do the classic, blame me, not my players routine just to protect the players. This is a valid tactic, but you can only use it once. If we do badly on Saturday he cannot say "blame me" again, or else he'll be out of a job immediately.

    He probably meant to say "I didn't prepare the team well enough", this is probably closer to what he meant to convey.
     
  14. easthertshornet

    easthertshornet Reservist

    Pathetic wasn't it?
     
  15. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    If that comment was in isolation then maybe. but he also referenced lack of ambition, intensity and passion. Surely they are all minimum standards for supposedly professional players.
     
  16. Dorset-Orn

    Dorset-Orn First Year Pro

    Most on here seem to agree that the root of our problems seem to start with the basic approach to each game. Why don't we take each game by the scruff of the neck from the off.? Why do we seem to play lacklustre football for 65 mins each game interdispersed with odd minutes of front foot attacking.?
    I think the answer is arrogance. Our owners think they've built a good squad, and most of our players have never had to dig deep on basics to get to where they are, they think they are good
    Most players in the championship have "grafted" thru the lower divisions and know what it takes to fight for everything at this level. Our guys think that if they play like they in the Camp Nou, then the oppo will fall apart. We play a lazy game full stop and only have a few real grafters in the squad.!

    Then recruitment. Why the hell did GP spend all that money on Sarr.? That was purely an investment issue, nothing to do with WFC. Effectively that single transfer has hamstrung us (OK along with TD and Gray) eversince.

    We are just one more very poor relegated team that has none of the tools, ownership insight, or oomph to top the championship.
     
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  17. This.

    I made the same point last night. He didn't have the players for 442, he did have the players for 3 at the back. As Ngakia was getting skimmed over and over on the left in the first 20 minutes it was glaring obvious.
     
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  18. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    I know they shouldn’t go by Twitter but the endless “Announce Sarr “ comments probably made them think we need to get this deal done at any costs to appease fans .

    Might have helped if we’d then had managers who wanted to play him .
     
  19. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Too late now...
     
  20. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I don’t know why some have been having a go at Chalobah and Cleverley, both offer more going forward and defensively than Gray and Navarro that’s for sure.

    Both have earned the right to be in the team but they need to be playing alongside Hughes in his correct position. As some have suggested, I don’t see much wrong with a 3-5-2 with all those three in the centre, and Sema (why didn’t he start?) and Ngakia/Kiko as wingbacks. Leaves a slight problem of who to play with Sarr out of Pedro and Deeney, and what to do with the former whose best and most dangerous position is right wing, but it would give us far more options in building and supporting the attack, and for the most part the opposition won’t be good enough to capitalise on the gaps left by three at the back on the odd occasion they break (this is a case where possession is important because the oppo can’t hurt us if they don’t have the ball).
     
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  21. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    I think it meant he didn't give the players enough of a gee-up before the game. When I read "I didn't give the importance" I never felt it meant he didn't give a **** because I know his English isn't the best and it wouldn't make sense for a manager to tell the press he didn't think the game was important, that would just look bad . It just needed working out what he actually meant and that's what I think he meant.
     
  22. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The real worry is the investment in infrastructure will be attractive enough to fool some totally cynical asset strippers to buy us & sell the ground etc...
    I think Pozzo's current asset stripping has been forced upon him by his own incompetent decisions. I don't think the family came in with that intention.
    Doesn't make the current situation any less contemptible, of course.
     
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  23. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Wrong; we just got punished for the lapses this time.
     
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  24. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The way we're getting overrun in midfield anyway, we might as well go 5h1t or bust and play 4-2-4.
     
  25. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    The defence has been our main plus point this season. So am not going to knock it at this time.
     
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  26. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Squad Player

    The
    Problem is you cant rely on your defence when you have Mark Navarro at right back and Ngakia playing on the left.
     
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  27. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    I don’t know why this received so many likes and I think some people need to get a grip. Last night was bad no doubt and it probably kills off any chance of automatic promotion but we are 5th, better than most sides that have just gone down, and far better than many teams, including those of clubs much bigger than us. A play-off final, automatic promotion, two FA Cup semis, an FA Cup final and five consecutive seasons in the top flight mostly comfortably avoiding relegation is not down to pure luck and certainly can’t be achieved by people who don’t have a clue how to run a football club. If it was that simple, why did no one manage that in the quarter century between when we got relegated in 1988 and the Pozzos took over? And what was “awful” about the squad of 2018-19 and what turgid football did we play to “scrape” our way to the final? Lots of revisionism if not fickleness going on here.
     
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  28. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    No that is true .

    That selection was wrong .

    Maybe Wilmott on the left and Ngakia on the right ?
     
  29. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Squad Player

    Biggest concern for me was playing Will Hughes on the left who kept coming inside at one point he was over on the right hand side no wonder Ngakia had a hard time not only was he playing out of position but he had little support. If he started Sema from the start we would have won. The substitutions were baffling I do not think we can even put that down to inexperience, my guess is none of us on here have managed a football team at a high standard but we could all see what was going to happen with his changes. Should have brought Cleverley off and put Hughes in the middle when Sema come on in my opinion. But then to take Chalobah off and play Zink in the middle was clueless even more so because Cleverley looked to be tiring. There was just no reason to bring Gray on also.


    3-5-2 was clearly the right starting line up considering the players available. This game has really highlighted how bad the managerial appointment is.
     
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  30. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    I'm in danger of falling off the road of unlimited devotion at present...
     
  31. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    The first 4 are true for me already. The last point is probably impossible for me and many others.
     
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  32. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Correct. Finances will dictate this if, as expected, we are still in this league.
     
  33. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    For me, it's the combination of a truly awful window topped off by yesterday's 5h1tshow.
     
  34. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Good point. I've got Sky Sports, am a ST holder so get free access to Hive, but as soon as I saw the line-up last night, I just put it on record in case I wanted to watch it today, then watched a film with the missus. I think she's concerned the lockdown is impacting me more than she thought, but no, I tell her, it's cos I can take us being crap & getting beat if we play a bit like a Watford team, with at least an iota of passion and effort, but I can't be ar5ed with the way the current lot clearly don't care.
     
  35. Since63

    Since63 Squad Player

    Forgot to add, I watched it earlier today, and wished I hadn't bothered.
     
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