Watford FC 1-2 Manchester United - 15/09/2018

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Sep 7, 2018.

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Outcome of match

Poll closed Sep 15, 2018.
  1. Watford win

    46.9%
  2. Draw

    26.5%
  3. Manure win

    26.5%
  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Cassetti.
     
  2. Norwayhornet

    Norwayhornet Squad Player

  3. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

  4. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    Watford are a work in progress, I think: They have very much made their own fortune at the start of this season; but Spurs should have beaten them and arguably so should have Palace. The former had the wrong spirit and the latter can't finish to save their lives. But the 100% record means that the team must believe more and more in themselves and their coach and that is vital in a team game.
    Who knows which Man U team will turn up - there are some very good players there - for me Felaini, Young and Lukaku particularly. Pogba = extravagently talented but also a bit of a w**ker. Their coach is nowadays decidedly weird but his track record shows that he knows what he is doing - even if nobody else does.
    It's already been said on this thread, they could win, lose or draw - who knows. But if this reads negatively I still have a strong feeling of optimism that I can't shake off.
     
  5. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    So a little story, a vignette if you like:

    Was meant to be bringing my gfs dad a Utd “fan” ( speaks with an Essex accent and has never been to manchester, to the next game.) He cancelled after the spurs game ( work was busy apparently - he doesn’t work at the weekend)!

    Last time he was over at my house I showed him some old programs I had for Watford v Utd games 70s and 80s, thinking he’d be interested.
    He feigned interest and when I enquired he said he wasn’t interested as it was before Utd were “good” and therefore unimportant.
    Imagine the reverse - if he had old Watford programs I’d be all over that.

    Makes you think - all these fans they have, are they? Or are they people clinging to success? It’s not real support is it.

    Real support is the old cliches, away days on a rainy Tuesday night at some northern hellhole and getting beaten 3-0.

    Watching Devon White practice shooting from 6 yards out in the snow on a Boxing Day and missing

    Jurado

    Going to white hart lane as an impressionable teen and being beaten 5-2 while a **** in a Luton shirt taunts you from the home end

    That hope at the beginning of the season.

    That hope...

    And when you finally, finally sit joint first (3rd whatever) and unbeaten at the top of all the leagues and your rivals languish in a mudbath pub league, it’s finally worth it and very very good.

    Not that it wasn’t worth it before. I wouldn’t swap it.

    I wouldn’t enjoy beating spurs anywhere near as much if I hadn’t had that pain for 30 years. Fearing we would never compete. But for him it’s standard and he gains no joy only vague bragging rights

    I’m taking gfs brother now. Young enough to be impressionable if we beat them. Been to a very few football matches live. We shall see
     
    Last edited: Sep 11, 2018
  6. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    This is a great, great post. It’s so hard to explain this sort of thing to people who don’t ‘get it’. Well done for nailing it.
     
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  7. J.B

    J.B First Team

    The thinly-veiled racism certainly makes him the perfect candidate.
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2018
  8. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    Manchester United are one of the biggest football clubs in the world. Have been since Munich. They have support everywhere from Scandinavia to Africa, to Devon, to up your road and yes.. believe it or not, Manchester.

    To think they are all plastic glory hunters is a shortsighted mistake. Ive met plenty who are into their club as much as we are.
     
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  9. Maninblack

    Maninblack Reservist

    Very good, but you forget to add how, after they lose, Mourinho takes the team to Watford Junction to take the train home. They book a special from..... Southern Trains :D

    ManU.jpg
     
  10. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Some people from Manchester and the surrounding area support United. And I am sure they have committed fans, as any club has but what they don’t have is millions and millions of proper fans.
     
  11. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    In my humble opinion anyway
     
  12. nascot

    nascot First Team

    In our first season back up we played Man Utd on the same weekend as my father-in-laws birthday. He's never been to Old Trafford so as a potential present we offered to take him up there, have lunch at one the stadiums restaurants, do a tour and then watch the match. He didn't really have much interest. Odd.
     
  13. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    I’m not trying to gatekeep and say unless you’ve had bovril from a hut on the terraces in the 80s you don’t deserve to support us now we are successful.

    Just that I enjoy that we are good now. After all this time.
     
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  14. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Of course. His real name is Crispin Rees-Kremlin and he only stopped being posh after he was expelled from Eton
     
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  15. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    Depends on your definition of "proper fans" The yardstick is usually match attending supporters. So they'd have to enlarge Old Trafford somewhat if they did!


    They have millions of followers.. worldwide. No most of them havent been to Old Trafford. Though that's somewhat at odds with the other accusations of them all heading home to London after games.. you know if they havent been there.
    Thing is they have such a large following that the "proper fans" as we know it get diluted down so much as to be indistinguishable. Same with every big club. Do they have plastic glory hunting fans? yes. Do they have genuine match going fans? also yes. They just have more of everything.
     
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  16. Optimistichornet

    Optimistichornet Penguin Assassin

    My first game was in ‘94? We were proper cack then too. #properfansunite
     
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  17. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    I thought you were going to say at half time.
     
  18. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    There was odd machine gun celebration.

    As appropriate as when Smalling went to the Christmas party as a suicide bomber.
     
  19. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    I had said this out loud, with a Partridge ‘derr’ face, even before I’d scrolled down.
     
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  20. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Almunia.
     
  21. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    One of the Tristram Hunt types?

    In the polemical mouths of Momentum, the posh boys are subjected to the most fearful Cockney Rhyming Slang abuse.
     
  22. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Is your anus aching after sitting on the fence?

    I’m told Harrow favours an opinionated poster.
     
  23. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Fingers crossed you can convert the fresh meat.
     
  24. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    No wonder Gueds loved the private plane.
     
  25. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Last season there were as many Utd fans on the train back to London as there were Watford. Maybe it was because it was the last game of the season against a little team and they could get tickets?

    Anyway, it got me thinking. What is it about Southerners that makes so many of them glory hunters. How many Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal tops do you see north of Nottingham? None, ever, according to my Northern mates.
     
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  26. Mollyboo

    Mollyboo First Year Pro

    Walk into any pub in the land and you're sure to find either a Man Utd or Liverpool fan with some story about how their dad's friend's uncle used to work with a guy whose girlfriend's brother supported Utd/Liverpool and he was massively into vintage cars, just like he was. So he started supporting Man Utd/Liverpool too.

    Really odd how I've heard dozens of these stories, but none of them end up with the guy supporting Halifax, Stockport or Burton Albion. Always Liverpool and Man Utd.

    These people aren't proper fans, and there are loads of them.
     
  27. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    I see loads of Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal shirts well North of Nottingham.. in Norway :)

    Dare i say it but the two big North West clubs are way bigger in terms of support than any from the South. Two reasons i could give you for that are the Munich air disaster, which started United's worldwide following.. and the fact Liverpool dominated the game for a longer period than arguably any other club.
     
  28. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Also, not living in Liverpool helps perpetuate the mystique.
     
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  29. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    If Spurs can beat United so can Watford. And with Lindelof likely to start after playing against Burnley a 2-1 or 3-1 win.
     
  30. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Maybe Steve Finn can help us out by providing a scoreboard.
     
  31. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Mine was in 68 at the start of the first golden age.

    #FurphyPlasticsUnite
     
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  32. Johnny Todd Sings

    Johnny Todd Sings First Year Pro

    You are not a real fan unless you have been to Workington on a Tuesday evening in November.
     
  33. Mollyboo

    Mollyboo First Year Pro

    Lol at people predicting us to get any points on Saturday - even heard one bloke on radio saying Watford 'must be slight favourites going into this game'.

    Man Utd's second string cost way more than our first team, and the money spent on the squad over the last decade is eye-watering.. The team that will face us are all on massively higher wages (and for good reason) and they are all regular members of international sides.

    They have a proven multi- league winning manager, training facilities and staff that make ours look amateurish and a stadium 5 times bigger than ours.

    We will lose - just a matter of how many.

    Even a 0-1 would be a laughable result, given the gulf between the two sides.
     
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  34. Lehman Brothers were also highly paid internationals
     
  35. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Carlisle away on a Tuesday night is also a good measure.
     

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