Watford 0-3 Liverpool 3pm - 24/11/2018

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Steve Leo Beleck, Nov 18, 2018.

  1. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    It may be a bit controversial and unorthodox, but why don't teams stick a tall player on the line for freekicks like this? From Foster's positioning, he was clearly expecting Salah to take it towards his right. That allowed the entire left hand side somewhat unprotected. Basically if you get it on target on that side it will go in.

    Had someone like Cathcart stood on the line near Foster's left hand post, it would vastly reduce A-A's chances of scoring. It could put pressure on the freekick taker or maybe they would not even bother shooting that side at all. Just a thought.
     
  2. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    The problem with that I suppose is the crafty ball tapped around the wall for their forwards to run on to and all played onside by the man on the line.

    My unorthodox thought on it from that distance is whether having a wall is really worth it? As I said originally, it doesn't that that much skill for a Prem player to get an FK up and over the wall from that sort of distance. So what's the wall there for? All it's doing is blocking the keeper's view and perhaps blocking the occasional free kick mis-hit low.

    So, is there some alternative to wall?
     
  3. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Keeping a player onside is of course true if you do that, but it adds an extra level of complication to the attacking side, which would benefit the defending team. I think the risk would be worth taking.

    With regards to not having a wall, I think it would be a huge risk. Players can hit the ball very hard these days. Plus, there would be nothing to stop the attacking side placing their own wall to disguise who would be taking the kick. Obviously they would disperse at the last moment.
     
  4. kVA

    kVA Reservist


    I always thought that vulture thing on their badge was big bird from Sesame Street:

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    Or maybe crazy legs crane

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  5. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Pfft, you won’t get far on here blaming the players and not the officials...
     
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  6. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    How about we play Kabasele over Mapps next game? Since Kabasele hasn't been playing, our defence has worsened... Surely it's obvious enough?
     
  7. NathWFC

    NathWFC First Team

    It's baffling. Mariappa is OK back up and likeable, but Kabasele is clearly lightyears ahead of him.
     
  8. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I think many have said Liverpool were the better side but the fact is, it’s a penalty and had we scored it may well have changed the outcome. I don’t believe many people in the Newcastle thread discussed the ref as the fault for losing the game was clearly our own. Its a thread about the match and it’s talking points of which the penalty incident is biggest point to be talked about.
    Had that been the other end I’m pretty sure that would have been given.
    I would be interested in what VAR would have done yesterday
     
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  9. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Gracia stayed loyal to our players when we were unbeaten and got lots of praise for not changing the team.

    Unfortunately his tiny brain cannot comprehend that when a team starts losing you need to change the underperforming players.
     
  10. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Justworkedouthowtochange

    Am always gutted when we dont win

    Think 0-3 flattered them, they had possession but in the first half didn’t look all that. Reality is we did a lot of work and our players were probably knackered by the time Liverpool scored. However what the game does show is the difference beteeen top 4 and best(ish) of the rest, they just kept coming , we frustrated for a while but they just kept going waiting for us to get knackered.

    Think our defence did all right, thought foster looked good (even with the 0-3 scoreline), Not sure if it was a pen but am sure the ref is a fat ****

    I do like (and expect grief for this) the way that when we go down down we bring on two more strikers and go for it , ok so we lost 0-3 but if we didn’t do something it was game over anyway

    Think the grief towards Deeney is a bit extreme from what I could see he was doing a lot of work back in defence (ok I know he is a striker) , personally I would have started Success but can see why the physicality of Deeney made him a good choice to start. I do however recognise that we could do with a 15 a season striker .

    With a bit more time I think the combination of Bobby P, and Gerry D out wide with Success running through the middle could be truly scary and that’s before we add Penaranda into the equation

    ****ed off but not depressed (yet)
     
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  11. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    I don't know why the defenders are being criticised tbh. We are playing Liverpool probably along with City best in the league. Their front players are going to cause problems for most teams.
    Did well to keep them out for so long.
     
  12. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Their front players do cause problems for most teams. So therefore individual errors need to be kept to a premium, or even better, not happen at all. That didn't happen with Mariappa or Femenia so that's why they are being criticised.
     
  13. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    Well as some have suggested, its unlikely VAR would have done anything yesterday. Because Deulofeu was offside so that decision would have been correctly upheld... and if Moss was as biased towards Liverpool (or against us as some would believe) then its unlikely he would have even referred the penalty call to VAR.
     
  14. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    I understand that however if players are superior then it's a case of moving on.
     
  15. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    And going again.
     
  16. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Why wouldn't he have reviewed the penalty incident? VAR is going to be used next season and the referee will be advised that there is something to review by the VAR assessor. He would be obliged the look at the video replay then either uphold his original decision or reverse it. If another referee tells him to watch the incident again, why would he ignore that advice?
     
  17. Keighley

    Keighley First Team

    Because he’s a *****?
     
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  18. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    Yep. Every match thread is the same these days after a defeat. It used to be a fun romp through managerial change bed wetting, remembering where we came from and calling Deeney fat.
     
  19. nascot

    nascot First Team

    This thread is both amusing and confusing when you have someone on block.
     
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  20. BusheyOrn

    BusheyOrn Reservist

    With a central free kick like that why not get the middle 2 in the wall to peel away at the last second to give the keeper a clear view? Still leaves 2 walls covering the corners so still have to go over with kick. Thinking outside the box - literaly! :)
     
  21. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I think the ref is told to have a look although he may not change his mind!
     
  22. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    People do realise VAR is just used to correct in the eyes of those officials watching a clear and obvious error .

    We still would be relying on them to tell Mr Moss he'd made a mistake on the penalty incident which he did in the eyes of many but even in the World Cup some clear decisions weren't corrected .
     
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  23. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Well here's a completely different view from Robertson over the penalty.

    https://www.anfieldhq.com/jon-moss-should-have-booked-will-hughes-says-andy-robertson/

    Funny really, seeing as in real time all Liverpool players instantly appealed for no penalty. It was an instant human reaction, that gave away their feeling of guilt. Chris Kamara even said this on GoS. He said always look at player's reaction. They all instantly appealed. That tells you they all thought it was a penalty in real time.
     
  24. Guy

    Guy Squad Player

    It,s a shame with VAR in its current form that refs are not miked up so we can hear their reasoning like they do in rugby

    Jon Moss ... Oh a Watford player gone down , shall we give it? Oh no they are just a little team and we can't upset the nice Mr Klopp
     
  25. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Glad we never signed this **** now. He deserves to rot in Liverpool.
     
  26. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    That will take those of us of a certain age back a few decades......
     
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  27. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Call him back we need him!!!
     
  28. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    I guess we do get a bit blinkered


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  29. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Will Hughes meanwhile can't even say with any certainty if it was a penalty. Says he 'felt a little contact' but, in a contact sport, that's far from the be all and end all.

    https://www.watfordobserver.co.uk/s...he-was-caught-by-liverpools-andrew-robertson/
     
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  30. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    All you have to consider is, had it been the other way around it would have been given?

    Had there been VAR available it would also have been given, as all the camera angles suggest contact, and every Liverpool defender immediately appealed ‘no penalty’ at the time which clearly shows they all thought it was a penalty.

    Did Hughes make the most of it, yes. But Wilson and Zaha do that every week. They make the most of small touches and everyone defends them for doing it, and the argument given is that have been touched so have the right to go down. Why is it different if a Watford player does it? The rules have to be the same for everyone.
     
  31. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I think there's as much chance Hughes would have been booked for diving after a VAR review as the penalty being given. It can be argued either way. Certainly 'a little contact' isn't enough to justify a penalty on it's own and the longer it stays that way the better.

    Chris Kamara's footballing psychology for beginners lesson doesn't really interest me. VAR isn't going to review player reactions to decide whether it was a foul or not. The reality is some pundits say it was a penalty, plenty of others don't agree.

    You're right everyone does it so I'm certainly not lambasting Hughes for making the most of it. He had a go at winning a penalty and you do see them given. But let's not pretend it was nailed on (or a red card, as you floated earlier in the thread). As for the others, don't forget Zaha got booked for diving here last season when Mariappa made some contact with him while tackling in the box in front of the Rookery. It's a classic 'win some, lost some' situation.
     
  32. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I have to say, having watched the replay, it's not as "stonewall" as I'd thought at the time. Certainly I do think it's a penalty, based on the various factors, but not the glaring, obvious miss that I'd felt when watching it from 120 yards away in the Family Stand in real time.

    Overall, I think it changes little. We were undone by a combination of slight cracks in concentration and the absolute masterclass of attacking football by Liverpool, once we left space to attack as we chased an equaliser/consolation.

    I don't blame Javi for tactics or selection. Playing a team that much better than us is not going to result in a positive outcome very often and I felt we played the best way to give ourselves a shot at it.
     
  33. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Have they changed the result yet to show a 1-3 loss?
     
  34. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    yes should never have sacked him.
     
  35. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Was Kiko seeking an unfair advantage while lying down?
     
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