VAR Yes or No?

Discussion in 'General Football & Other Sport' started by The Voice of Reason, Jun 27, 2018.

  1. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    Likewise I worked with a girl once who was told she was to short too work as a flight attendant, the airline in question had a minimum height requirement.

    Anyway, and easy way round it would be for you to have a first 11 height allowance, so you can be as tall as you want but your team total can’t go over a certain height. Then you aren’t individually discriminating against anybody.
     
  2. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Effectively there’s a cumulative team height.

    And then you introduce a ‘carbon trading’ system where Man U can buy rights to Crouch height & we’re left with ten Iniestas.

    Remember when we were the tallest (& oldest) team in the league?
     
  3. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    Surely this is the basis for competitive sport.
     
  4. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Surely it would be simpler just to make the goal bigger rather than being required to play a couple of hobbits as wing-backs.
     
  5. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Is that right? I'm not saying it's not but wonder whether that's just your sense of things or whether it's borne out by the stats. Various other changes to rules (passing back to keeper, offside) and equipment (lighter boots and balls) might've led to more goals so wonder what the overall effect is.

    I'm being lazy this morning so can't be bothered to Google it.
     
  6. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    This is PhD stuff but, ceteris paribus, taller keepers are likely to save more shots than shorter ones (the exception here being termed Forster's Law. He's probably just too tall.)

    Evidence: Of the 240 WC pens, each one on target above 6'' has been a goal.

    Or you could award 0.33 of a goal if the striker kicks the ball between the posts but over the bar (a la rugby).

    On this footing, Richarlison would outscore Ronaldo.

    The old chap who reads the final scores on Sky would say:

    'Brighton and Hove Albion One goal & one third, Watford One goal & two thirds.'
     
  7. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Try:www.slate.com>sports>2013/08 The Numbers Game: Why soccer teams score fewer goals than they did 100 years ago

    and,

    https://fivethirtyeight.com In 126 Years, English Football Has Seen 13,475 Nil-Nil Draws
     
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  8. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth First Team Captain

    Wouldn't taller keepers be better at stopping high shots but poorer at stopping lower shots (slower to get down as further for their hands to travel, slower to move due to larger structure) ?
    But then their reach is better so bottom corner might favour tall again.
    This is complex and needs a funded phd thesis as you'd suggested.
     
  9. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    As forum members, we all have busy schedules but is there maybe a volunteer who could pick up this baton?.

    If everyone (inc the robots) chipped in 50p, that's about £50.

    (Without the robots, it's about £10, owing to recent departures.)
     
  10. Mollyboo

    Mollyboo First Year Pro

    Strange how so many 'big' teams have been knocked out of the first VAR world cup.

    I firmly believe that many top players have stopped cheating because there is simply no point anymore, levelling the playing field for teams that would otherwise have fallen victim to the type of trickery that they themselves are not capable of.

    It takes a certain cleverness, skill, speed of thought and audacity to con a ref successfully, and it's no coincidence that the best cheats are often also the best players.

    Thierry Henry wouldn't have handballed v Ireland and Maradona certainly wouldn't have punched the ball past Shilton.
     
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  11. Mollyboo

    Mollyboo First Year Pro

    This world cup has hardly been short on goals. There seems to have been a shift away from the dour defensive approach that has plagued many world cups to a far more attack-minded approach, which has made this tournament so thoroughly watchable.
     
  12. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I think VAR has worked because the amount it has been used since the group stages has dropped significantly, probably because the players are wary of it and have largely cut out the cheating as they know they will not get away with it.

    It obviously needs tweeking, especially with regard to the players getting in the faces of the ref and putting presure on him to reveiw virtually every little thing. The simple answer to that problem would be to make harassing the ref an instant yellow card, with maybe the exception of the captain being able to make a polite inquiry.

    I would possibly go one step further and have the VAR team have the final say on the decisions they review, rather than have the ref leave the field to have a look at a monitor. They could just tell the ref, you should award a penalty or that so-in so should be red carded and so on, then the ref could just impliment the VAR decision without having to leave the field of play. That would speed things up and probably cut out the hasseling of the ref as the final decision would not be up to him.

    Overall for me with the right tweeking I would be happy to see VAR introduced into the PL and FL.
     
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  13. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    151 goals I think it is so far over 58 games = 2.6 goals per game. Absolutely bog-standard then.

    So while the football has maybe been more adventurous it hasn't brought many more goals. So the lack of goals problem remains.
     

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