VAR decisions

I said I wouldn't enter the fray against you again on this thread but given this latest tirade I've been forced to reconsider.

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of the distinction between subjectivity and objectivity in this context. Burnsy is one of our own. And a very considered poster on various threads on this forum. What he is trying to do here is to step outside of his 'yellow box' and attempt to be objective. I try to do the same. But you make absolutely no attempt whatsoever to try and do that and bang on ad nauseam with your subjective view yet again raising three incidents that went against us while totally ignoring any that went for us. I think Lanzini was crocked. I didn't think Del Boy was ergo you have nothing to add to your list. Then you have the audacity to accuse Burnsy of 'subjectivity'. Ffs!

The only way to properly analyse a 'we're always on the receiving end' study would be to appoint a genuine neutral to conduct it. Preferably someone who didn't know anything about football. That most certainly wouldn't include you (cue hilarity) and it wouldn't include me or Burnsy given the likelihood of a modicum of lingering prejudice. I'm a scientist OK? In the biological realm. I do understand the stuff around ruling out all the extraneous parameters so you're only testing for the one thing you're interested in.

A failure to understand that will consign you to 'shame I support the same football club as that tw.t' status.

 

It's your opinion. But you cannot seem to give it without resorting to insults. It appears to be beyond you, which makes what you say worthless...IMO of course. You said you are a 60 year man, well, it's strange behaviour from someone of your age. Just because you don't like what I say, doesn't mean it's not correct or have some truth to it. All it means is you don't agree with it.

What I say is not pulled out of thin air. If you don't agree, then that's fair enough and you can stick to your guns and think we have really been awarded loads of penalties, very few yellow cards etc, but that is not the truth. What I've written is considered and based on events that have actually occurred.

You may think every other team having a goal disallowed for handball, apart from us, is fair. That's fine. You may think Deulofeu dived and Lazini was poleaxed, again that's fine. You may think Murphy is allowed to stop a goal bound shot without punishment, if that's your opinion you're welcome to it. I won't challenge you over it and I wont call you names either.

But I always find people that instantly attack another poster for no other reason other than because he has a different opinion, lacks a certain amount of intelligence and has no valid counter-argument in the first place.

 

Murray.

Otherwise, I’ll leave you two to it!

 

That's not like you!!

 

One might be inclined to say the same in return...!

 

I think you will find they already do that!

 

Mike Riley (head of ref’s) has said that after discussions today with the 20 reps of each team at the PL meeting, they have admitted 4 mistakes involving VAR this season.

Newcastle’s equaliser against us is one of them. The other 3 don’t involve us.

 

https://twitter.com/i/status/1172132218065563648

So will Mike Riley give Javi his job back? Craig Pawson's lack of ability, even on VAR, directly cost Javi his job. Had we won 1-0 at Newcastle, on the back of the 3-0 Carabao Cup win, I'm sure the board would have given Gracia more time. The level of sh1tness among these incompetent buffoons is there for all to see.

They now have VAR but have still made 4 **** ups, in just 4 games...….and that's the ones they've admitted to.

 

I don’t think the result against Newcastle played too much of a factor. Had we managed to hang on and win, sure the points would have helped, but I don’t think it would detract from the fact that our performance as a whole was dismal.

 

Maybe Javi should thinking about suing the referees involved.

 

Mike Riley vomited up the contents of every corporate phrase book he has ever read.

VAR is awful. The only argument fans of it had were 'it removes the big mistakes' which simply isn't true. They've turned round six decisions and missed four, so a 60% success rate so far despite the fact it isn't used in all aspects of the game. The excuse for the Newcastle goal was that Pawson was looking at the wrong camera angle. It is embarrassing to listen to.

It saddens me how modern day football has become so sanitised and stuffy.

 

VAR isn't awful. The people using it are.

 

I don't disagree with you, but it is, of course 4 mistakes in 40 games.

 

Agreed. VAR, combined with the various rule changes, is a dog's dinner at the moment and all the worse for being applied differently here compared with other countries.

 

You can blame the big 6 loving pundits for that. All their moaning and bitching about how bad it is made the PL implement VAR-light where virtually no decisions are overturned due to the ******** about 'clear and obvious error'. It should just be 'error'.

Still, at least we can talk about VAR decisions at the pub with m8s. Which is what it's all about after all.

 

Adam Leventhal‏Verified account @AdamLeventhal 32m32 minutes ago
PGMOL revealing now 4 errors in 40 games is poor. If we’re dealing in near real time decisions, it shouldn’t take weeks to admit. Source told me & I reported VAR had missed #NUFC handball v #WatfordFC & goal was wrong within hours of FT. 12 days ago. Need transparency/honesty.

Good to see AL calling out the cheating b*stards.

 

If the people using it were competent in the first place we wouldn't need VAR.

Our referees are appalling. Sticking one in front of a TV screen doesn't alter that fact. All the while Mike Riley has his head in the clouds talking about our officials being the best in the world, when they are woefully bad and the standard is declining further.

 

I’ll meet you in the boozer. Let’s discuss.

 

There is no way Mike Riley should be in charge of referees - he was a truly awful ref who never gave big decisions against Man Utd at Old Trafford but one of their players only had to fall down in the box for him to award them a penalty. No wonder why our top officials are biased ( even if it is subconscious) to the big teams.

These are the ' highlights' of one of the matches he officiated - it was truly biased - as most refs were to Utd at the time - and yet he received very little criticism for it. I watched the match and there were lots of other 50/50s he gave in favour of Man Utd - and no big decisions in favour of Arsenal to balance it

 

That was one 5h1tfest of a ‘refereeing’ display.

 

Yes but the convo’s down the pub after that game were great and that’s what it’s all about.

 

And they didn’t even mention the Villa fiasco. They are buffoons of the highest order.

 

That is an astonishing display.

 

Finally someone on this forum who actually gets it...….but you'll now need to invest in a tin helmet.

 

Am absolutely disgraceful refereeing performance. And he’s in charge. No wonder our officials are so abysmal in quality.

 

That was the match where Arsenal's 49 Premier League unbeaten run ended!

They have not be the same force since.

 

You only have to listen to the insipid, apologist commentary to understand the real problem in English football.

If Martin Tyler says that Rooney is 'a rascal' as opposed to a dirty, cheating, diving piece of **** then why would the referees think any different? Its got worse, not better.

Football is ****.

 

Exactly this. And they're pretty arrogant with it too. How do highly paid referees watch replays and still miss things? Out of the four incidents they got wrong, commentators and fans managed to see them straightaway. That tackle of Callum Wilson was horrendous, the two penalties were so obvious. Ours was probably the hardest to spot but even then they picked it up on the totally legal stream I was watching on.

It's a matter of basic competence. Imagine it being your job for the day to sit in a studio and a few times a game check replays and *still* getting obvious things wrong. How is that even possible? And then the tone of all the ex refs (bar Keith Hackett who's gone a bit rogue) is to say that everything is great, the fans needs to trust them or it's just teething problems.

Even by their own very high and dubious standards for overruling a decision, there have been ten that should've been so far and they've still only been right 60% of the time!

 

It's not possible to have missed it. Like you say, it was spotted by everyone else covering the game very quickly. So it just leaves you to think, Pawson just didn't want to disallow it for whatever reason.

The only good thing about VAR is that it's making it blindingly obvious that certain referees will not play fair, even with video evidence to go on. That element of doubt of "maybe he just didn't see it in real time" is taken away.

There are 3 or 4 good referees in the Premier League (we have not been appointed any of them yet this season). The rest are either incompetent, biased or dishonest. Something drastic has to be done about it, but it's a closed shop. Mike Riley is one of them and he's in charge of what they do, so nothing will change.

In the past 2 and a bit seasons, we've been awarded just THREE penalties, whilst 14 have been awarded against us in the same time period. There is an imbalance in all this. Freekicks awarded against is more, yellow cards is the highest in the league for several season's running. We are just on the receiving end of a bad call or the so called "50/50" decision going against us far too often.

 

Nothing to do with VAR.

 

Correct. VAR isn't to blame - poor officials are.

 

Obviously. But only because an incompetent referee blew early when he had VAR available and should have let he game run on

Riley should be calling out that ******ous action and not acting as if it didn’t happen.

 

Yes, but I think he did dive. The way he went down was not natural, he realised that he was not brought down so got up quickly and did not claim a penalty. So after seeing it all you can say maybe not a dive, but at the point he throws himself to the ground you can see why the ref thinks dive.