VAR decisions

Another clueless ex-player. Errr, no.

 

Fewer.

 

Agree with the three point analysis of the twofold problem!

There is a serious question of competence though. Quite how someone whose job it is to carefully watch a replay of the goal, didn't spot the handball in the build up is beyond me. They're literally being paid to look at a few replays and couldn't see something clear as day.

It's a crap rule but it's in force so should be applied.

 

I was ranting on the phone about the line up to random people in my contacts.

 

Just seen a clip on twitter. Nothing in it.

 

Really? It hits the striker's arm and that causes it to fall nicely for Schar to shoot. Obviously he knew nothing about it and it was entirely accidental but that's not the rule anymore. If it hits the arm and a goal results, it should be ruled out, regardless of intent.

 

Who cares what you idiots think, what's HB1 view?

 

It would be ludicrous to disallow it, but the exact thing has led to disallowed goals in several games so far this season.

If the rule had applied today, as it has in other games, the goal should have been disallowed.

Like I say, it’s a terrible rule, but it’s a rule that’s been enforced elsewhere and the VAR ref should have picked it up.

 

The laws are an ass

Going by the Man city and Spurs examples, todays should have been hand ball

The lino also flagged and stopped the game when the centre forward was clear though on Foster & clearly on side

 

Leventhal says he's spoken to someone who confirmed VAR missed it and it should've been disallowed...

https://twitter.com/AdamLeventhal/status/1167906093785202689?s=19

 

Sorry, it seems like a stupid rule, but rightly pointed out by you. I stand corrected.

I would have been fuming if one of ours had been ruled out for a similar call and had no complaints.

 

I'm sure he has. Anything to take the focus away from the coach.

 

You're so weird sometimes. He's just made that up to distract Gino, has he?

 

Watching match of the day it’s incredible how low a standard our referees are. Add in the coward’s approach to VAR and there is no hope for decent officiating.

 

The problem is the rules are dumb. There cant be 2 handball rules for different scenarios. Its nonsense. VAR then fails by being inconsistent, 2 goals get ruled out but 1 stands.

The weak implementation of VAR by the Premier League also does not work. They're trying to approach it with a light touch but only making it conspicuously bad in the process. Like turning up to a fancy dress party as Hitler and whispering so nobody sees you.

 

I'm a fan of VAR. But currently it's only being used properly for offside. VAR has already been used to deny goals for accidental handball by attackers (daft rule I agree) but yesterday it didn't and we lost out. And it didn't give us a very obvious penalty against B&HA for a deliberate handball by a defender. The only time I've yet seen VAR over-rule the onfield ref. so far is in those previous handball incidents. I haven't seen a pen. decision changed yet. I haven't seen a potential red-card decision changed yet. Maybe I've missed something but I don't think so. I haven't seen any bias towards home teams or big teams though.

The extent to which VAR is simply rubber-stamping the onfield decision is ludicrous. In fact I'd go beyond that and call it criminal. We're 38 games into this VAR season now. Surely you'd expect to have seen more overturned decisions than we have.

In this apparent attempt to make the onfield ref. look good and pretend that the ref. nearly always got it right pre VAR they are simply showing themself up to be a self-protectionist cabal and making the entire refereeing community look even worse. Are we supposed to believe black is white?

There is nothing wrong with the system. Just with the ***** that are operating it. And it's not down to incompetence. It's down to a self-defeating and oh so obvious conspiracy. And, as a supporter of VAR, that really p.sses me off.

 

As soon as I saw the replay, I could see it had touched his arm. Here there needs to be some accountability. Was the goal allowed because it was missed, or the official was unaware of the rule? Tbh neither is a good look for the referees.

The way VAR is set-up currently places an emphasis on every decision to be correct. One of the reasons video evidence works well in cricket is because the onus is more on the teams to correct bad umpiring. Take the stokes lbw at the end of his innings. It was a bad decision by the umpire but because the Aussies had been so frivolous with their previous reviews, the blame lay more with the team rather than the man making the poor decision

 

One thing is certain. If there is a “mistake” with VAR you can be certain it will be against us. So that’s 3-0 down on decisions already with VAR only after just 4 games. No surprise to me.

 

Yawn.

 

So you think VAR hasn't worked unfairly against us this season then?

 

I’m not sure I agree with that last sentence, or at least not totally. I think the umpire deserved criticism, as did those on TMS, and for me it took a tiny bit of the gloss off the England victory. But I agree that the Aussies were also culpable, and the use of reviews thus becomes an important - and interesting - part of the game.

 

Some people just won’t except what is obvious. I think most fair minded people can see what’s going on.

 

I have to say, there was a replay on my river showing one of their players going down in the box, which could well have been given as a pen. It was the softer sort, but certainly in the "I've seen them given" and "he's gone down under contact" category.

 

I felt that was a penalty.

I'm surprised the Kiko handball in his own area which directly lead to the Gray goal last week doesn't get any love on this forum

 

Kicked his standing foot. It's pretty clear after watching Match of the Day that no subjective decisions are going to be overruled.

But ours wasn't a subjective one. Did it hit his arm? Yes. Should all goals be ruled out if an arm is involved regardless of intent? Yes. No room for debate at all. It's a shocker of a decision.

 

And to think a large percentage of fans wanted VAR.

Level the playing-field we were told. Put simply, the officiating standards in this country have got worse over the last few years. Praying for a sudden improvement in VAR is pointless and won’t happen. It’ll stay as it is - or get worse.

 

No. I think HB1’s constant insistence that referees and the football authorities in general are specifically biased against Watford is ludicrous and wearing.
As for VAR, I think it has worked unfairly against most, if not all, teams and I wish it had never been thought of.

 

We’re usually on the end of a bad decision. The only way to measure it is with VAR. Already it’s 3-0 against us and is building. To deny this is just trying to cover up because you just don’t want to admit things go against us more often than not.

If it wasn’t happening quite so often then it wouldn’t get a mention. The only thing that’s wearing are the volume of bad decisions, or those decisions of opinion that always seem to go against us.

I am only saying what most are thinking.

 

We've been on the receiving end of a couple of poor VAR decisions. But to suggest there's an 'agenda' against us is ludicrous, sad and pathetic.

 

Indeed. Most fair minded people can see exactly what's going. A sad nutter keeps claiming his football team is uniquely discriminated against. Every club's got an hb1 though. Your sunglasses are opaque and yellow. They come in other colours too.

 

It is levelling the playing field with regard to offside. It will improve in other areas too. If it simply continues to rubber-stamp onfield decisions it will become a laughing stock. That won't be allowed to happen.

 

Quite.

 

No, you're not saying what most are thinking. You're saying what you're thinking and perhaps a tiny minority of fellow sufferers of 'blinkered vision'. A condition closely related to 'tunnel vision'.

Where do you get 3-0 from? I didn't think we should have had a pen. at Everton so that's 2-0 then. Others have pointed out other decisions that we may have benefitted from which could make it 2-2. Nothing is 'building'. We may get lucky next time out and then we could be quids in. There is no 'statistical anomaly' whatsoever. But you only see the half of the decisions which go against us.

It's beyond me how you can post lengthy and lucid analysis on various other topics but continue to act like a complete ****** over this stupid 'they've got it in for us' agenda.