VAR decisions

Poor decisions, even by VAR, will just be explained away as ‘part of the rich tapestry of the beautiful game’. The chances of any sort of appeal being even considered are remote-to-zero.

 

Unless hawkeye was guaranteed as being 100% accurate I can’t how anyone would have a case, I’d also assume there are some terms and conditions relating to it that allow for errors.

 

As others have said the issue isn't the technology its the officials. VAR should be run by a panel of ex players - doesn't necessarily have to be ex Premier league players - who review the decisions and have a set time such as 30 seconds to cast votes. 3 ex pro's voting on a call as a yes/no should be all it takes.

 

I’m not sure who it was, Tim Cahill, I think, who said that there should be ex-pros involved in VAR as they can tell by the WAY the player goes down whether it was a genuine foul, or the player had ‘bought’ the ‘foul’.

 

Weirdly I had the exact same thought, I thought it would be too much, but really it would be a good idea.

 

All we need to do is find last decades Raheem Sterling.

 

Easy to do - how many ex pros are there in the top say 3 English leagues? A lot of them probably don't have roles outside of football and would probably enjoy the chance to be involved again.

 

I think ultimately there is this weird idea that referees need to be protected and they shouldn’t be undermined. We have technology (let’s face it it isn’t really even technology as such, it’s just reviewing footage) that can more or less make sure we get the right decision every time, but instead we find ourselves in this bizarre situation where we now have even worse decisions simply to protect a minuscule group of men.

**** the referees, we’re not talking about widespread job losses here, we’re talking about 10-20 men, do whatever needs to be done to get to a situation where we get the most correct decisions possible, if that means getting rid of on field refs so be it, if that means reducing their responsibilities so be it.

 

Cheap as well, that’s if they even had to pay. I had a client who was an agent for pundits, not the top tier ones but the ones who appear for one off games when their club is playing etc. They only get about £1500 per game. I say only, obviously that’s a lot of money for a normal person but in football terms it isn’t.

 

There's nothing wrong with VAR, there's nothing wrong with letting the on field referee have the final say.

The problem, and always has been, the lack of quality in people making the decisions. It's been dramatically highlighted with VAR. You have these referees on VAR, they analyse the event and still cannot see if the ball crossed the line or they think the back of the shoulder is handball and they miss clear handballs,.....the list is endless.

If they are making these decisions on VAR when they have multiple angles and slow motion, and still getting them wrong, then the problem is with them. How can they be trusted to get things right on the field of play in real time, when they can't get it right even after reviewing on VAR?

I'd say 90% of referees need to be retired, and from somewhere, maybe Europe as the standard is far higher, the Premier League employ proper officials to officiate the games correctly.

 

That is where the ex player panel idea would help. Three ex players voting on a decision would make it pretty hard to arrive at the wrong decision.

But equally, a bad on field decision shouldn’t be upheld just to avoid undermining someone and in that regard the thought process needs to change completely.

 

I still think of Cahill as a Millwall player.

 

I've always thought a panel of ex- or current players should decide on the length of bans for dangerous foul play, as they are best placed to appreciate whether a foul was down to malice, negligence or just plain bad luck and how bad the consequences could have been.

 

Some of this ain’t var. the Goal line tech is hawk eye nothing to do with var. then it’s the rules that are in place which is looked at by **** refs. It’s also imo a lot to do with the head shed dinosaurs that have to do things different, why don’t we use the pitch side monitors? Why was it pretty successful in the World Cup and leagues like Germany?


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Maybe an ex pro alongside an official. Danny Murphy was on some review board maybe still is, think it was for red cards


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That could be a good shout foxy, as the ex pro would probably be more o fay with the dark arts that players use to con the refs.

 

Even worse..he then went to nEverton.

 

So its official, VAR had no impact on us all season. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/53553300

 

Dont think that includes times when it should have been used but wasn't. Just when it overturned a decision for a club and against a club.

Perhaps most telling that we're not on the lists at all.

 

Yes, because that's completely subjective so shouldn't be used to assess anything.

They probably could have included VAR apologies, which I think we had two. Newcastle and Southampton?

 

We seem to have been air brushed from practically all this analysis

 

Thought we had 4?

I think you’re forgetting the two at Spurs. The clear cut penalty on Deulofeu and the breakdown in technology for Dele Ali’s last minute equaliser where the big screen and VAR indicated No Goal, yet the referee thought he heard ‘goal’ over his ear piece and gave the goal.

 

We also got an apology one for the Pereyra red card against Tranmere too, although that's just the FA Cup.

Can't ignore the other apologies for the screw ups which benefitted Villa, which had a direct impact on us as well. All in all, whichever way you look at it, we were royally shafted last season.

 

I'm pretty sure they said the screen was wrong not the decision on the Alli one so that isn't an overturn nor is the decision not to give a penalty when a referee also doesn't give it.

 

Ah could be right in fairness. Either way I remember they got it wrong as usual.

 

I can't believe the club has not made more of a fuss over those handball VAR decisions which went against us last season. This cost us between 7 to 10 points, whichever way you look at it, and was a key reason why we were relegated.

Now I'm seeing these VAR tables saying we've had no VAR decisions go against us, and that VAR had no detrimental impact on our season whatsoever. This is inherently wrong. The truth is being airbrushed from history and being replaced by lies. If left unchallenged it will become fact.

It's down to the club to make a fuss about it, so at least it's in everyone's mind and is talked about. Why not do a futile legal challenge like Bournemouth are doing? Not so much to get compensation, is it will not go anywhere, but to raise the profile and the injustice that VAR had on Watford last season.

You never know, these things stick in the mind and could turn to our advantage somewhere along the line. A bit like the Deeney 'cojones' comment. He said that in 2017, but it was still used in the build up to the Arsenal match. Things stick and it's about time we started turning this around to our advantage.

 

On a related note did Sheff Utd win any compensation over the Tevez saga?

Not that it did them any good as they were relegated to League 1 four years later and spent six years down there.

 

I was going to post that this morning but ISTR we've been in more than 3 matches this season that involved VAR decsions?

 

The thing the authorities really have to sort out with VAR, in my view, is whether they allow the overrule of the on-field ref or not. When it first came in the “clear and obvious” wording implied that the ref would not be overruled except in the extreme cases. However, up to and including our game at Spurs NO on-field penalty decision had been overruled although plenty had been obviously wrong. The foul on Deulofeu was so clear that the policy changed thereafter and overrules were common. (I’m not including the strange handball rule in this, which I think will soon be altered.) If you’re happy with VAR existing at all, this is probably as good as it’s going to get on penalty calls. But then, after lockdown, the policy seems to have gone out of the window and overrules, or not, seem to have been entirely at the whim of the VAR on duty and not based on obviousness any more. Although I hate the idea I think the solution is to instruct refs to look at the pitch side monitor when there has been a definite error, if only to confirm what the VAR has seen.

 

The biggest problem with VAR is they were too scared to show the ref as human. If we had a ref make an error, get over-ruled and come out after the game saying "not sure how I missed that trip in the area, thanks to VAR we got it right", I am 100% sure the majority would appreciate the honesty and trust the entire system five times more.