VAR decisions

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by hornetboy1, Aug 10, 2019.

  1. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Fake news.
     
  2. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Rather time consuming?
     
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  3. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    What is your evidence for this contention? Isn't it pure speculation?
     
  4. Not op but yes it is a lot of speculation obviously unless they work at the FA and have insider knowledge.

    However it is speculation that has also been said by a couple of pundits too so it's not just us Watford lot who think it.
     
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  5. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    Better to take time, stop the clock, get a decision that it heard by everyone and its logic and rationale discussed between TMO/VAR and ref.
    At the moment, I agree with QSF that it’s “secretive and weird.”
    As Horace posted:
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    And for the few times it’s used, it’s worth getting the decision right, or at least understand wtf goes thro the VAR/ref’s minds.

    I have not heard of one commentator/pundit from the Spurs game who thinks the refs decisions were correct, even Glenn Hoddle and big ears, and that’s saying something.

    When you hear the ref and TMO discussing the rugby decisions, it gives confidence that even if people disagree, they understand what they are thinking and how they got to their decision.

    VAR is becoming a joke.
     
  6. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    hb1 and I continue to argue around whether or not Watford are, uniquely, treated unfairly by officials. Now including VAR. hb1 offers evidence that maybe we are. I continue to suggest that he's biased and not objective and his data is thus flawed. Here is a suggestion to get around this problem:

    Our 'analyst' watches all MotD and MotD2 programmes. That's 380 PL matches in a season. Quite a good sample. He/she keeps a record of all VAR discussions on the programme throughout the season. If VAR decisions are shown to be correct (as per Wolves first two 'goals' yesterday) then they don't need to be counted/recorded. If however they're shown to be incorrect then that will be recorded as +1 for the team benefitting and -1 for the team suffering.

    The arbiters will be the two MotD pundits (whoever they might be). No other punditry view will be allowed. No subjective opinion will be allowed. If the two pundits agree then the decision is clear. If they disagree (as with the Burnley disallowed equaliser yesterday) then Line Aker or Chapman etc. can have a casting vote if he/they express an opinion. If it's still unclear then the default is that it doesn't count. No buts, no exceptions.

    So, yesterday we have a clear +2 for Spurs and -2 for WFC. We have a potential +1 for Leicester and -1 for Burnley or no score (contentious) and no score for Wolves v Saints.

    Whoops. Pressed send button by mistake ... more below ...
     
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  7. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    But no surprise a couple of ex refs did !
     
  8. Sahorn

    Sahorn Reservist

    As Christine Keeler said “they would, wouldn’t they?”
    Old boys closed shop club.
     
  9. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    continued ...

    In addition, there may be other contentious decisions where VAR wasn't consulted. These could also be included if the MotD punditry is in agreement. Recorded in brackets to separate them from the VAR ones.

    Obviously this exercise should be conducted over a whole season so starting now wouldn't be valid in any consideration of 'big six' v the rest. However, if anyone was prepared to review some 25 hours of historic MotD footage back to 10 August then it could be done for 1919/20. I can't do it myself as I'm not likely to be around in the spring (nothing sinister).

    Right up your street isn't it hb1?:rolleyes: Stick to the rules though!

    This is what I would anticipate:

    1. There might still very well be a bias in favour of the big six.

    2. Our results would be in line with the other 13 also-rans.

    This would be an entirely objective study (and not particularly onerous) designed to rule out all considerations other than what you are specifically testing for. Any wandering away from the rules to consider other punditry (including your own) - you could pick your own pundits to satisfy an agenda - would invalidate the results on grounds of subjectivity.

    Any takers?
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2019
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  10. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    The likelihood of two people pressing the wrong buttons in relation to the same match is so vanishingly small that it can safely be concluded that that isn't what happened yesterday
     
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  11. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Well just had another clear foul on Origi not given and Man U scored .
     
  12. Roger Irrelevant

    Roger Irrelevant Reservist

    I did say think not know.
     
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  13. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Hilarious:)
     
  14. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Can't believe it. Mane has a goal disallowed for handball. The ball just brushed his hand and didn't change the direction of the ball. Why are these goals always disallowed apart from when it happens against Watford? It f***s me off big time. F***ing cheats.
     
  15. Roger Irrelevant

    Roger Irrelevant Reservist

    Becoming? VAR has nothing to do with football and everything to do with money.
     
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  16. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Have you started your spreadsheet yet?
     
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  17. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    What spreadsheet?
     
  18. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    It was handball but not any different to Ali's .

    Only consistent thing VAR does is not give fouls !
     
  19. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    VAR at it again right now. Mané goal correctly disallowed apparently. Rashford goal contentious. So I'm watching MotD2 tonight. Remember, it's only the opinion of those two pundits that count in our new study :)
     
  20. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Who is a cheat? You have a sample of two. Frustrating I agree.
     
  21. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Why is an e acute changed to *? Henceforward he will be Maneh.
     
    Last edited: Oct 20, 2019
  22. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    It was nothing - should have been booked for simulation
     
  23. another_mrlizard

    another_mrlizard Squad Player

    Okay, thanks for the update. I won't need to check this part of the forum again for another 12 months.
     
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  24. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Quite. Get on with it hb1!
     
  25. V Crabro

    V Crabro Reservist

    In the new VAR world do you have to appeal to get something reviewed?

    There were similarities between the goal that Newcastle scored against us at SJP and the Liverpool goal which was disallowed this afternoon.

    The Man U players appealed and the goal is overturned. Due to WFC fans being a long way above the action and seemingly no WFC player being in a position to see the push on with the hand there was no VAR and the goal stood.

    Is the moral to this story that you have to appeal against every goal you concede in case there is a VAR opportunity?
     
  26. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Well that is why footballers appeal - they don't get punished for dissent and often it gives them an advantage!!

    Putting pressure on the ref .

    In the rugby a French guy was sent off for a clear elbow which the TMO saw and it was accepted.

    Would the same happen in football ?
     
  27. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    When I go fishing, I always throw the tiddlers back.
     
  28. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    The NUFC goal at SJP was reviewed by VAR. VAR ballsed up. As it did yesterday at WHL. This is hb1's frustration. Mine too.
     
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  29. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Did you develop your sense of humour while fishing by yourself?
     
  30. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Maybe you get yours by fisting yourself?
     
  31. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Seems like I may have got to you hb1. Now run along and start working on that spreadsheet.
     
  32. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    You're weird but harmless.
     
  33. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    Enough. Others can judge.
     
  34. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    For those who don't understand the rules.

    This is handball
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    This is NOT handball
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  35. CleyHorn

    CleyHorn Reservist

    1. Obvious 2. Contentious 1. Obvious arm. 2. Arguably shoulder. 2. Catch the f.cking ball Foster.
     
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