Udinese News

Discussion in 'Pozzo's Place' started by Smudger, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Our brethren moved up to eighth spot in serie A with an important away 3-2 win over AS Roma.

    Roma are coached by Zdenek Zeman who likes to see football played. Roma played some lovely football initially with Brazilian left back Dodo prominent along with rising young Argentine star Erik Lamela. After wasting a couple of early efforts Lamela converted two oppurtunities including an audacious finish for the ever improving midfielder who was once wanted by Barcelona some eight years ago.

    However Zeman's sides which are lovely to watch often concede goals. And Udinese came back courtesy of some defensive howlers topped off by conceding a penalty to veteran di Natale who decided to imitate national team Andrea Pirlo with a panenka penalty finish.

    A good result for Udinese considering their poor record at the Stadio Olimpico and it look's like they are recovering from their initially shaky start to the season. Worth watching for Lamela's first goal:

    Last edited: Oct 30, 2012
  2. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Congratulations to the Zebretti!

    So much for solid Italian defending eh? The goalkeeping for the first one was absolutely abysmal. There's no way he should have been able to score from there.

    Also, there was a touch of the Forestieris about the penalty, wasn't there? Looked like Di Natale was suffering with his stud length there.

    I would have been very upset if that had been given against us. Stupid No.16 for Roma though, getting sent off for manhandling the ref.
  3. StefanoFromUdine

    StefanoFromUdine Academy Graduate

    Yes our Udinese did a not bad match yesterday night. Zeman's teams are famous to play a spectacular football but also for getting a looooot of goals against (like yesterday). Beside the poor start of the team, i am happy because yesterday 6 of the usual starting eleven were out (Danilo, Benatia, Muriel, Pinzi, Basta, Pasquale).
    About Di Natale penalty, he actually didn't imitate Pirlo, cause Pirlo may be famous for that penalty after match with England, but in Italy that one is the typical Totti's penalty, Roma player, so Totò did it in his own stadium :p (and for me it was penalty 'cause the defender hitted the leg of Udinese player). Last thing, the first goal was absolutely responsibility of the goalkeeper....
  4. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    Thank you Smudger! Since yesterday I was thinking to comment Roma-Udinese AND open a full "Udinese news" thread, but couldn't find the time. You anticipated me, and with an excellent synopsis of the match.

    It seemed bleak! First the bad playing and bad loss in Europa League last week against Young Boys Bern, the weakest team of the four, apparently. A double win against them would have given us, after the win at Anfield, a good chance to pass the turn. Instead now we must suffer in the next european matches.
    Then the first 25' against Rome, in which match seemed to go towards utter and shameful defeat; but when under of 2 goals at last Udinese woke up!

    Admittedly, the late penalty was maybe "generous". I think it was a foul, but honestly not all referees would have given it.
    Nice to see Di Natale showing to Maicosuel (who missed tragically a panenka in Champions preliminaries, but had a good game sunday): "THIS is how you make a panenka!" :naughty:
    A very important win, especially considering that, like Stefano said, we barely had on field half of usual starting 11.

    As a side note: with these 2 goals Di Natale jumped up 3 positions in the table of the all times best scorers in serie A with 157 goals. Behind him now, with 156, there are some "unknown" strikers like Gigi Riva, Pippo Inzaghi and Roberto Mancini. :jumping1:
  5. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    You're welcome Sherlock and nice to have you around Stefano. Not bad to get past a great for Cagliari and Italy like Luigi Riva and only just behind another great Roberto Boninsegna. Hopefully this result fills the team with confidence and is a start of a run of form.

    I must say being an Argentina fan to see Lamela growing and that first goal while partly down to Brkic is also part of Lamela's audacity as a player. He is certainly faring better than Pereyra another River Plate product who perhaps is not developing as fast.

    Also Angella played and put in a reasonable performance and as such I guess it rules out any possibility of a move here in January in Guidolin's eyes even if he's only in the side because of injuries.
  6. domthehornet

    domthehornet Moderator Staff Member

    I could watch the equaliser all day, fantastic finish by Di Natale.
  7. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    Udinese-Catania 2-2

    Udinese leads with a maybe generous penalty (scored by Di Natale).
    Then shows she would earn the advantage with several occasions for 2-0, unfortunately all badly wasted.
    Then a foolish defensive ingenuity gifts Catania with the 1-1.
    As it often happens in football, the one who wastes too much is punished: at 85' Catania goes 2-1 thanks to a good free kick.
    Thankfully, again, Di Natale saves the day with a late equalizer at 92'.

    All in all a good point against the good team that is Catania.
    Pity for the wasted chance to climb the table (a win would have put Udinese 5th).
    Di Natale goes at 6 goals in serie A this year (currently second in scorers table) and 159 in career.
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2012
  8. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    How did Spolli do Sherlock ? I know he was playing for the opposition but I'd be interested to know. :)
  9. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    Sherlock - your English is almost impeccable, so I'm intrigued that you call your team 'she' and think that must be deliberate.

    I know that in Italian, objects are either masculine or feminine (il and la) whereas we don't really use that in English.

    Mentally, I always think of Watford as an 'it'. The team, neither masculine nor feminine. Is it common in Italy to think of your team as feminine, with female moodiness and capriciousness? If so, are all teams female to their fans, or are there some masculine teams - I don't know maybe Il Lazio or something?
  10. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    Hi Clive, thank you for the compliment on my English, although it probably failed on this particular thing, due to my Italian habit of thinking about "la Udinese".
    In Italian many football teams are feminine terms: it's "la squadra", "la Roma", "la Juventus" etc.
    Yet, it's not always so, because for many the "male" term is used, so it is "il Catania", "il Livorno" ...
    Currently in serie A:
    "male" ("il" is used): Milan, Palermo, Napoli, Cagliari, Siena, Chievo, Pescara, Bologna, Torino, Parma, Catania, Genoa.
    "female" ("la" is used): Atalanta, Inter, Sampdoria, Juventus, Lazio, Roma, Udinese, Fiorentina.
    Honestly, I don't know the reason.
    I admit Italian is a strange language sometimes. ;)
  11. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    Cannot judge first hand, as I only heard from radio.
    Comments on various websites are controversial: some give him 5/10 for the foolish intervention on Badu that caused the penalty, but others give 6.5/10 saying "great personality and leadership in guiding the defence".
  12. Clive_ofthe_Kremlin

    Clive_ofthe_Kremlin Squad Player

    How interesting! I know that English has its difficulties with silent letters and strange pronunciations, but I think the gender thing in the Latin languages is the area we English suffer with most when trying to learn one of those languages. How on earth do you remember which gender all the teams are? I don't know if you have new teams appear as we sometimes have here (MK Dons for example) - but how is the gender decided for a new team? By popular fans consent?

    It also raises the question of what gender Watford should be, if we are truly to enter the European spirit!

    I think, like Udi, feminine.

    A slightly haggard, smeared lipstick, mutton-dressed-as-lamb, bleached blonde sliding off a bar stool at closing time probably.
  13. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    OK, the question remained stuck in my mind so I had to solve and find the rule to avoid going nuts (too late already? :doom:).
    The general rule for Italian teams seems to be:
    - if the name of the team is the same or very similar to the name of the city, than it's "male" (il Napoli, il Milan);
    - notable and apparently unique exception is "la Roma";
    - in almost all the other cases the name of the team is feminine. Most of the times it's like the adjective related to the city name (la Udinese, la Fiorentina ... same as saying that London should be male and Londoner female). Also teams with latin name (Juventus, Pro Patria) are female;
    - in Italian almost all names of foreign teams are "male". Although there are some exception, mostly with latin names: e.g. almost all the eastern teams named "Dinamo XXX" are female.
    - for national teams, it's absolutely unclear the rule, most are "female" and some are "male", with no apparent reason (la Francia, il Portogallo, la Germania, il Belgio ...).
  14. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    The Portuguese are more masculine than the Germans???? You are looking at the wrong women

    wiki has this to say about grammatical gender:


    lots of interesting things here:

    for example, "egg" and "eggs" in Italian, masculine singular and feminine plural: il uovo, le uova ("the egg(s)")


    Influence on culture
    According to research by Lera Boroditsky, grammatical genders are among the aspects of languages that shape how people think (a hypothesis called "linguistic relativity"). In one study by Boroditsky, in which native speakers of German and Spanish were asked to describe everyday objects in English, she found that they were more likely to use attributes conventionally associated with the genders of the objects in their native languages.

    For instance, German-speakers more often described German: Br*cke, (f.) "bridge" with words like 'beautiful', 'elegant', 'fragile', 'peaceful', 'pretty', and 'slender', whereas Spanish-speakers, which use puente (m.) used terms like 'big', 'dangerous', 'long', 'strong', 'sturdy', and 'towering'.

    Also according to Boroditsky, the gender in which concepts are anthropomorphized in art is dependent, in 85% of all cases, on the grammatical gender of the concept in the artist's language. Therefore, in German art Tod (m.) "death" is generally portrayed as male, but in Russian Смерть (f.) "death" is generally portrayed as a female.[33]
    Last edited: Nov 2, 2012
  15. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    Thanks a lot Sherlock for the information. :)
  16. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    November 4th 2012: Bologna-Udinese 1-1 (Diamanti, Di Natale)

    Might have been better, as Bologna is quite low on table and came from several lost matches.
    But for the same reason they were very hungry for points and put Udinese in difficulty, until leading 1-0 at beginning of 2nd half.
    Udinese seemed maybe too shy, waiting and without imposing the game. Only when under in score it attacked with more convinction and when Ranegie entered at the side of Di Natale (with Maicosuel going as advanced midfielder) it seemed much better, until Di Natale scored the equalizer.
    Then Di Natale was subbed (to save him some breath for Europa League) and again it was more dull, except for a late Udinese's assault in final minutes.
    All in all, not a brilliant match and a draw that puts us again exactly in mid-table (while 3 points would have been much better).
    But a point anyway, and now it's 8 points and no losses in last 4 matches, so in Guidolin's point of view of "Safety from relegation first, no frills and no dreaming of high positions again, until we have 40 points!" it's a good point in a potentially difficult match.
    Ah, with this one Di Natale scored 5 goals in 3 matches and 8 days.
  17. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    At least Juventus lost....... Do you think they are getting all sort's of odd decisions from the referees still going in their favour Sherlock ? Howler of the weekend must be Aronica of Napoli gifting Torino a point. Erik Lamela continues to impress......
  18. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    Well, considering Juventus goal (after 18") was in an action that had began with a clear offside (like, more than 1 meter) and that at about 20' one of their defenders should have received a more than deserved second yellow ... but was inexplicably spared ... :rant:
    Luckily Inter was really strong.
  19. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    You know amico I am very suspicious still of that club. I always hope they never win the scudetto. Guidolin is getting some stability into the side and di Natale is knocking them in which is always essential for a club to have at least one striker with 15 goals plus per season.
  20. Timbers

    Timbers Apeman

    From what I have seen, definitely! Is it just a big club thing like United tend to get more penalties and that or something more sinister? As it is Juve, I don't trust them one bit!
  21. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    I agree mate. Some of the decisions have been so blatantly wrong as against Catania who were robbed.
  22. El distraído

    El distraído Johnny Foreigner

    I don't trust them after their unbeaten season last season to be honest.

    There were multiple corruption scandals in Serie A last season and in the midst of that, Juve come out storming the league and without a loss in 38 games..? Sorry, I don't trust them.
  23. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    This evening, Europa League: Udinese - Young Boys.
    After the bad loss at their home a victory is absolutely necessary in order to hope for qualification.
    Unfortunately Guidolin has a limited number of players due to several injuries and has to manage both Europe and serie A.
    Probably the one mostly missing is Muriel. He came back from loan to Lecce after an excellent season and impressed greatly in pre-season (although somewhat overweight) and should be the natural substitute/alternative to Di Natale (or partner in a dream-team attack), but he's still out until probably mid-november. Hopefully if he comes back and is fit, with TWO main strikers (together or alternated) Udinese's season will change for the best.
    Forza zebrette!!!
  24. The PozzMan

    The PozzMan Squad Player

    Forza Zebrette indeed Sherlock.
  25. nascot

    nascot First Team

    I've got a fiver on Anzhi, Napoli and Udinese wins tonight. Forza Zebrette!
  26. LPC213

    LPC213 Reservist

    Don't suppose its on telly? Doubt it what with 3 English teams playing but worth a try!
  27. PotGuy

    PotGuy Forum Fetishist

    One down to Young Boys at the moment
  28. The PozzMan

    The PozzMan Squad Player

    According to someone I've quickly spoken to on Twitter who supports Udinese, they aren't exactly playing great at the moment....

    Missed a penalty too.... May not be their night...
  29. nascot

    nascot First Team

    Arse. Pozzo's out.
  30. Smudger

    Smudger Messi's Mad Coach Staff Member

    To paraphrase a song 'Two out of three ain't bad....' Tough trip to Anzhi although they may play that fixture in Moscow and then perhaps a decisive encounter with Liverpool at home. Should beat Young Boys though on paper. Losing to them twice has been poor.
  31. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    Groan, on paper they should be beaten, on field it appears they gave 200% and were much quicker and aggressive, especially in midfield.
    A not great team, with just a couple of good players (Bobadilla and another whose name misses me), but very quick and "physical".
    Their defence is certainly not great, but ours was even worse.
    We had several chances, some badly missed (including an unusually missed penalty by Di Natale), while they scored most of their chances.
    A draw might have been more true to what was seen, but definitely an unconvincing performance by Udinese.
    And unfortunately the fact that Brkic had a very bad evening, while Handanovic (our former goalkeeper, sold this summer) made miracles in the Inter match, will certainly give fuel to the fans more angry with the Pozzos.
  32. SuperDan

    SuperDan Reservist

    Udinese drew 2-2 away at Chievo today.
  33. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    serie A, 12th match: Chievo Verona - Udinese 2-2

    Might seem 2 points lost, as Chievo is lower on table (although strong at home) and could have been a chance for an away victory.
    But it's definitely a point gained, given how it was going.
    On a very heavy and muddy terrain (after 2 days of strong rain) match was not "beautiful" but quite intense. Chievo scored near the end of FH but Udinese immediately reached 1-1.
    In second half a dubious penaly for Chievo was luckily shot outside, but at 87' another penalty (this time possibly correct, but in an action that had begun with offside) with second yellow thus red for Udinese's defender Danilo. (red card also for manager Guidolin for his complaining).
    Penalty scored. 2-1 and 10 man 3 minutes from the end.
    But at 91' Udinese reaches 2-2.
    From press room Guidolin sends message to the bench to hold on now, in defence. And so it goes.

    5 matches without loss, and that's good. Still mid table.

    Man of the match for Udinese, scoring both goals (in an "off" day for Di Natale): the defender Angella! (heard the name already, is it? ;) )
    I'm afraid after this WFC can forget him coming as loan in january (and you don't seem to need more loanees anyway, as you're doing well).

    A very touching thing: Angella in post-match interview dedicated the two goals to his friend Morosini
  34. Layton

    Layton First Team

    Hmmmm , any decent centre mids we can have , Abdis gonna be out for a while

    also. thought this on Saturday , Abdi adn Vydra , would both get in the udinese starting 11 ?
  35. sherlock

    sherlock Tippytappy footy expert

    I think you're quite well covered, Battocchio and Fanchone still to show what they can do.
    Abdi and Vydra: probably being at WFC and playing a lot was very good for them. Abdi when playing here was considered a bit too slow, Vydra is very young. If they stayed at Udinese probably they would have been mostly on bench, so not improving.
    Now they're growing fast it seems. Quite likely that next year they "could" be in the starting 11 of Udinese, but certainly they'll stay at WFC because it would be nonsense to dismantle a team that has found its equilibrium and has itself important objectives (like reaching Premier or, if things go "really" well this year, staying in it).

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