Tottenham Hotspur 4-0 Watford FC - 08/04/2017

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Clive_ofthe_Kremlin, Apr 5, 2017.

  1. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    Beaten by a far superior team yesterday, thought we looked alright for the first 15-20 minutes but after the goal went in that was pretty much for us - Spurs dominated and won comfortably, like they have done all season at home, nothing to be ashamed of there. Walter had his hands slightly tied with injuries and I don't think there was much else that could've been done.

    Hopefully we can pick up some points against Swansea on Saturday.
     
  2. Simmos

    Simmos First Year Pro

    For all those who still think we are going to be relegated I am sorry to say that the 80/1 has now gone and we are best odds 66/1 to be relegated. You will now need to invest around £6.20 to cover your Championship season ticket for next season. Alternatively rather than line the pockets of one of the bookies with a nonsense bet please give the money to charity which needs it much more.

    The reality is the it is not just Swansea and Hull that have to better our results over the next 7 games but also Crystal Palace, Stoke, Bournemouth, West Ham, Burnley and Leicester. Yesterday was a free shot which didn't work out and hardly season defining.
     
  3. Sting

    Sting Squad Player

    Totally agree. Spurs are incredibly good this season and losing to them was almost inevitable. For half an hour we were not too bad. Psychologically I think losing heavily to a very good team will not harm us and might inspire us to a better performance next time out. Beat Swansea and we are safe. ( I think the bottom 3 will not reach even our current 37 points).
     
  4. Tricky Dicky

    Tricky Dicky First Year Pro

    No one can deny that Spurs are a top team at the moment and so yesterday was always going to be a free hit. We started okay but once Spurs upped their game there was only going to be one result, I don't even think injuries played a part in the defeat, a fully fit side would have struggled out there. Just shrug our shoulders and move on to the next game.
     
  5. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    I hate to say it but I was impressed by Spuds today. Their fans were obviously nervous and I was hoping it would transmit to their team and stop them playing, but it simply didn't. They were highly professional about how they went about their game plan and showed not the slightest panic. Obviously Chelsea won't be dropping enough points for them to win the title this season, but next year there will be worse bets than for them to win the league.

    Onwards and upwards.
     
  6. bert slater

    bert slater Reservist

    God I really hope they don't. Can't stand their fans, billy big potatoes and the worst performing of all the big clubs over the last 30 odd years. Even little Watford got a 2nd spot in the old first division in ' 83 so spuds haven't bettered our best finish in 34 years! Can't farkin stand them although I concede they are very good at the moment.
     
  7. SS Billy

    SS Billy Academy Graduate


    Haha, even your fellow fans think you're a T!t..

    Not going too well for you is it? :]]
     
  8. So..l

    I don't think we do. I mean, what has it done for them?

    10th Watford

    12th Burnley
    15th Bounemouth
    17th Hull

    Well, Ill let you explain how we got on against their togetherness and sheer will to grind out a result:

    I think you put it pretty well.

    Seems though you now think there was more depending on yesterday's game than when you wrote that, or is it just your emotions running you ragged....
     
  9. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    You're just another, in a sea of plenty, whose main aim is to create arguments out of nothing. You goad in hope to provoke a response, by twisting posts, take things out of context and throw in a few jibes for good measure.

    I ignored your earlier attempt this morning, but I see you've had another nibble.

    I've explained already why having the team ethic of others, would improve the team immensely, because we have a better squad than Burnley, Hull and Bournemouth. Those teams should be in the bottom three, and would be if not for their togetherness.

    Do you think we show this sort of spirit? If you do, then I disagree with you.

    I've already covered off the West Brom match, so there is no need to post it again.

    We need to show the spirit and will to win, as shown against West Brom.....EVERY WEEK. We can do it, and have done it, but it's only on isolated occasions. It's a real problem and holds us back. We need a coach that can create that togetherness or else we will always be erratic.

    You know Burnley have a limited ability, but you also know they will run through brick walls for their manager and tread on broken glass to get a result. We rarely show this sort of commitment.
     
  10. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Meister. Can't you do something about the troll? And I don't mean hb1!
     
  11. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    If you had your way, only you and 424 would be left.
     
  12. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    HB, you know I'm a defender of both some of your points and your continued right to post them, but you do seem to be holding some posters to a higher standard than you are yourself at the moment, and accusing them of doing various nefarious things that you yourself also engage in sometimes.

    What I'm saying is, I think you're seeing a certain degree of things that aren't there. I absolutely don't agree with everything 424 is saying, or has been saying, but I can't see how his last points were 'trying to create an argument out of nothing' or 'twisting posts, taking things out of context'.

    If he is guilty of it then you are to a very similar extent. I genuinely think that you are being rendered a little paranoid, and yes to be fair you come under attack a lot, sometimes from people who act quite like right *****, but you have to allow others to engage in the same way you do.
     
  13. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I see things very clearly. Obviously others would not see it as much, unless it's directed at themselves. There are plenty of posters on here that want to start things. I can tell you I never start anything on here. I rarely even reply to posts made by others. I mostly just defend my posts.....this is all I do.

    I know who the forum antagonists are. You are not one of them, but unfortunately, there are far too many on here these days.

    All I ever want is civilised football chat. Nothing more, nothing less.
     
  14. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    What a silly silly Billy you are.
     
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  15. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Ok, maybe I was being overly generous.....just yourself?
     
  16. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    OK hb1. Answer me this. I agree with you that at times this season we've played uninspiring football. I agree that Walter has been largely responsible for that. I don't agree that we've shown a lack of spirit. No half-decent footballers are happy with losing at whatever level they play. Did you ever play to a reasonable level yourself? But the real question is (excuse me for digressing a bit there), how do you think your ongoing criticisms were manifested yesterday?
     
  17. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    My general points yesterday were, 1/ we need to beat Swansea next week or it could hurt us. 2/ We have to show the sort of commitment and passion of Burnley, Hull and Bournemouth.

    Some antagonists do not agree. Very few people will actually properly debate. It's always the default insults from the same posters, and this is how things manifest.
     
  18. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    You haven't answered my question. I asked you, what are your specific criticisms about yesterday's performance? This is what's called 'having a debate'.
     
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  19. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    It's comments like this that identify you as playing a role. This one was the final confirmation.

    It never ceases to amaze me at just how brilliant you are at it though. Or that other posters don't see it.

    Well played sir. Cap truly doffed.
     
  20. Halfwayline

    Halfwayline Reservist

    HB - don't take it all so personally. You have a very negative view about Watford, reservations about the manager, the players attitude and the recruitment. Many, myself included, share those reservations....just not this week after a battling win against the Baggies and a football lesson against, IMHO, the most inform team in the league at home.

    Many have pointed out that, to get relegated, we have to see a number of teams below us totally turn around their current form and we have to go on a 7 match losing streak. Possible, yes, but highly unlikely hence the current odds

    On a separate note, heading over to Barcelona with the wife this week. What's the weather like?
     
  21. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    No....you never asked that. Again, being antagonistic just for the sake of it. It's pitiful.

    I answered your previous question fully.

    Now to answer this new question, which you're pretending you've already asked....(not like anyone can look back at your post is it?)

    The criticism from yesterday is the lack of desire. We gave up at 0-2. The third goal was a great strike, but our players just stood still and allowed it to happen. The second half was just going through the motions. We were ponderous and pedestrian.

    Now, you'll probably come back with how good Spurs are, and I agree with you, they are a fantastic side this season, but you can do a lot to mitigate their strengths. Yes, I hear injuries being whispered, but again, all players that were on show are Watford players, all signed to play for Watford. They should be drilled to sweat blood (figuratively), but they do not show this.

    We've had far too many games like that over the entire season. Spurs is probably not the best example, but it's another game where we have thrown in the towel.
     
  22. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    I asked you exactly that.
     
  23. Halfwayline

    Halfwayline Reservist

    We defended in numbers and they scored two wonder goals from distance
    We attacked them and they caught us on the counter
    They were better than us in every department aside from their fans
    Game was done at 3-0 and I'm glad both teams played it out without it being a cricket score or getting any injuries
     
  24. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Have you ever wondered why it is always you who these posters seem to want to argue with? Why it is always you in the middle of the bun fight? I agree with about half of what you post but I think you have a lack of self awareness and are the number one cause of these arguments you claim to dislike.
     
  25. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Actually I have a very positive view about Watford holistically. It's just certain components that are not right, and this is what provokes discussion. The coach, the performances, certain players, are all up for debate. It's normal.

    Results tend sway the mind-sets of supporters. Had we drawn to Sunderland and West Brom, then the hostility towards Mazzarri would be intense. I identified we needed to win both of these games, and we have done. It's taken a lot of pressure off, but we also need to complete the job by beating Swansea. Do this and we're safe.

    The final 6 games will see us as heavy underdogs.....apart from Hull, so you can see it will be a lot harder to avoid the relegation scrap if we lose to Swansea. Beat Swansea and the debate is over. I would like Watford to take the easy route, so the rest of the season can be enjoyed knowing there is nothing riding on it.
     
  26. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    I think people like to have the final say. I could just let all the abuse and ridicule pass me by, and to be honest, I do actually ignore a lot of it, but why should I just let the apparent majority on here win a debate when I think they are wrong?

    I think the forum needs people who will say how it is at times, or else this place will become a sanitised forum full of happy-clappy, back-slappy nonsense.
     
  27. I am not having a go here at all.

    We have a better squad than those other teams, though injuries mean we have a much smaller squad available, with many of those better players out of contention, so perhaps the fact we are above those bottom three over achievers may actually be an indicator that WE are over acheiving.

    Besides that, better teams do not have to rely on plucky players with a battling team ethic, and that is where we are in the process of 'stepping up' at the moment. How many of the teams above us have that ethic you talk about on a regular basis, and where has it got them? The top teams rarely show it, but they have the quality to cope without it, and play technically well as a team, rather than battle. We, at the moment, are the best of the teams you have mentioned, except WBA, who are just as prone to poor, inept performances as we are. They are no paragons of virtuous effort and togetherness. They bully and spoil games, and they do it well, and it suits their squad. No one should mistake determined, cynical bullying as team spirit.

    We do not need to do that, what is more, we do not have the players to do that, because ours are better than that.

    The teams you mention, in my honest opinion, have nothing we need, even if they have something some of us want: an elevated Championship strategy aimed almost solely at survival in the Premier League. That is all they have; even Saint Eddie of 'Muff.

    Our club has set out its stool to achieve more: I am proud of that, even if I am not entirely keen on everything I see on the pitch. With the injuries we have had, and continue to have this season, it is incredible that we can put in a performance like the one on Tuesday, and find ourselves, for the time being, in the top half of the table at this time of the season.

    Now, if only El Distraido could tell me what to do next...
     
  28. bert slater

    bert slater Reservist

    I disagree that we threw in the towel. We had to put in a massive effort to keep it to 4 ,and that takes some doing when you know that the game has gone.. We also showed fantastic spirit against WBA. I really think that the manager /players not giving a toss is a red herring.
    Apart from the top 6/7 teams in this league everybody can beat everybody so to be where we are in our 2nd season is quite frankly, IMO outstanding.
     
  29. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    You can also say this about yourself though. You rarely let a reply slip without coming back at them. Personally I enjoy reading the debates between you and others (well most of the time unless it goes round in circles). I'm just pointing out it takes two to argue.
     
  30. KelsoOrn

    KelsoOrn Squad Player

    Correct. Spurs is not the best example. So why have you spent 26 hours quoting it as an example then?
     
  31. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Fair enough, this approach from you is actually welcome. If you reply like this in future I'm more than happy to debate issues with you. You've refrained from digs and personal insults, which makes reading what you write so much more enjoyable.

    I like some of the points you've raised and it's a point-of-view I can identify with as being reasonable.

    However, I think there is a ceiling on a team like Watford.....or rather, there is a ceiling for the next decade of so. Can we win the Premier League.....yes absolutely. Could we win the Europa League....again an emphatic yes. Can we win the FA Cup, League Cup.....of course we can. We could do all these things, but we could not dominate for 2 years or longer.

    Leicester won the league, but they cannot do it again, or get anywhere near.

    In any given season, Watford could do something unbelievable, but they could not sustain it......but they could only do this if they play like a team. Where everyone believes and work as one. We are miles away from being this.

    Have we progressed this season? I'm sure some can point to a few improvements, but generally, I think most would say no.

    Now, staying in the Premier League is an achievement, but I feel we've put that at a tremendous risk this season. We've been fortunate in so many ways, yet still are one bad defeat away from being sucked in.

    I don't subscribe to the injury situation as being as devastating as some would have you believe. It's not ideal of course, but our squad is full of players of a similar standard. Pererya/Zarate have affected the way we would like to play, but the rest is not a big deal. We had 5 or 6 games over Christmas, but that's about it really. I think the injuries have been overly used as an excuse.
     
  32. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    .....because people like you want to debate it.
     
  33. onion8837

    onion8837 Reservist

    That's because you can't debate subjectivities. You pronounce from on high how the world is ( in your opinion) and then don't allow any disagreement (with your opinion). It's like trying to argue with a child
     
  34. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team Captain

    Well don't do it then.
     
  35. Diamond

    Diamond First Team

    Personally I don't know what the problem is with this thread...

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