Tottenham FC Vs Watford FC - 30/04/2018

Discussion in 'Match Day' started by Steel City Gold, Apr 25, 2018.

  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    I think it’s just gonna be 3 at the back surely with Kiko and Holebas WB’s?
     
  2. oxhey67

    oxhey67 Squad Player

    You're probably right.
     
  3. wfcSinatra

    wfcSinatra Predictor Choker 14/15

    I like the line up makes the game worth watching at least
     
  4. IRB

    IRB THe artist formally know as ImRonBurgundy?

    The team plays so much better when Gray is up front rather than Deeney

    Gray may not be a good player, but he allows us to play a certain way which suits Richarlison, Hughes, Doucoure etc.
     
  5. Burnsy

    Burnsy First Team

    H/T and surprisingly looked decent for once away from home. But, it’s results that matter at this stage of the season....

    If it ends like this, I’ll take little consolation from a decent run-out but no points. Fingers crossed though....
     
  6. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Richarlison up top and Deulofeu out wide would be good
     
  7. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    Rich trying way too hard to score. Needs to calm down

    Hughes is magic
     
  8. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    It is 3 at the back. Only thing is we've decided to play a right back and 2 centre backs. I would say I've never seen a defensive shape like that before, but then I've watched us a number of times this season so I'd be lying.
     
  9. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    But overall quite enjoyed the first half.
     
  10. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    Love Kiko, but he isn't a winger. I hope one of the first changes is Maps off for Deulofeu
     
  11. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    Great. Just made a G&T, sat down, game over.

    Back I go to make it a triple.
     
  12. NemoNemo

    NemoNemo Reservist

    Has holebas blocked a cross yet? - correction - has holebas even tried to block cross yet?
     
  13. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    Started the 2nd half in hilariously inept fashion. Think Holebas has been Spurs' best passer
     
  14. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    At least it wasn’t more to spurs which the snake would have managed
     
  15. Heidar

    Heidar Squad Player

    Did OK. Good impact from Hughes, Deulo and Carrillo.

    Unfortunately... If you can't score goals or defend properly, you lose games. So clear which departments need work, Gino.
     
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  16. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Again.

    ******* again.

    We need to get rid of Deeney and Gray.
    Never play Holedisaster again and buy 3-4 decent prem/champ league defenders.

    Also sort the medical team out. Maybe replace with girl guides or 2nd century AD spirit healers
     
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  17. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    Could have played until tomorrow morning and we wouldn't have scored. The annoying thing was that Spurs were well below par

    Looking forward to not having to think about football for two months
     
  18. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    2-0 against a top 4 side and played well first half. so ok.
     
  19. Cthulhu

    Cthulhu Keyboard Warrior Staff Member

    Could have played til next season. Against a team of under 5s and we wouldn’t score
     
  20. goldpapaya

    goldpapaya First Year Pro

    Gave it a go , If only we could finish. Don't understand why he keeps taking Hughes off. Perhaps saving him for Saturday.
     
  21. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    @Steve Leo Beleck basically called it right in shoutbox. That sort of performance beats a lot of the lesser lights in this division, but we've rarely played like that against them this season. So frustrating. Thought the team acquitted themselves well tonight. Karnezis' error was catastrophic in terms of both technique and timing in the game. And then a subdued start to the second half ended the game as a contest. Overall, loads of hard work out there and at times really positive to see us hunting in packs, winning the ball back and going forward with it. Capoue my MOTM.
     
  22. Malteser

    Malteser Squad Player

    Gracia’s Watford of late can neither defend nor score, although in fairness they can play some quite decent football at times.

    I didn’t feel at the time of his appointment that he deserved a crack in the PL as our Head Coach, and tonight hasn’t dissuaded me from my opinion that to keep him next season would be an act of folly, risking our top flight status.

    Spurs were there for the taking tonight, flat after their cup defeat. Instead we gift them a goal, miss multiple chances when on top, lose concentration soon after the restart and then go on to miss more opportunities. Are the players not receiving any sort of coaching between matches? Oh and our best player on the night gets hooked early. Crazy.
     
  23. They are just better than us all over the pitch

    We had 2 or 3 chances but none of our strikers up to the task... but then we all know that already. It must be fixed in the summer, can't go another season like this.

    Thought Capoue had a good game, he's been on a decent run of performances. Hughes too.
     
  24. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    We really weren't that bad.

    Karnezis - 0
    Don't think he did anything that actually helped us? Gifted them a goal and then for the free kick where Vertonghen hit the post I would have expected a GK to claim that, it was very deep. Don't think he made a save.

    Mariappa - 6
    Fairly average performance, a few errors but wasn't all bad

    Cathcart - 6.5
    Loses .5 for poor awareness for their second goal but apart from that he was solid

    Kabasele - 7
    Pretty solid performance, definitely our best CB pairing with Cathcart

    Holebas - 6.5
    Not his biggest fan but he wasn't that bad tonight and pretty good going forward. He will likely get some stick but he had no support from Richarlison defensively.

    Doucoure - 6.5
    Can't fault his effort and at times played very well but a few mistakes as well

    Capoue - 8 MOTM
    Excellent performance, broke up play brilliantly and always looked for the ball

    Hughes - 7
    Very good in the first half but not involved at all second half

    Femenia - 5
    Pretty anonymous throughout

    Richarlison - 6.5
    Very good going forward but had an awful miss. Also provided no defensive support.

    Gray - 6
    Tried hard and made the right runs but just not a very good footballer. Finishing and first touch is nowhere near the required standard for a PL striker.

    SUBS:

    Deulofeu - 7
    We have badly missed him. Effort was top class closing down defenders and he actually looked threatening

    Deeney - 5
    Anonymous and wasted a great opportunity by not playing in Hughes. Did well though to head across for Richarlison's miss.

    Carrillo - 6
    Didn't seem to want the ball much but the two times he got it he looked more likely to score than most of our team

    Gracia - 6.5
    Plenty on here seem to want to see him fail, including a few who have been slating him since the day he joined. Tactically we were set up well to deal with Spurs today and he made the right decision to drop Deeney. Good subs as well.
     
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  25. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    No criticism of Gracia tonight from me. We played ok, carried a threat throughout the game and missed some good chances. An absolute howler from Karnezis and the whole defence switching off and Cathcart deciding not to mark Harry Kane has done for us.

    If we played at that level all the time, we would beat the likes of Huddersfield, Palace, Bournemouth, Newcastle. The problem is we don't play like that against them, we turn in lame, half-baked performances. On the basis of tonight, no issue with Gracia. Mixed in with the rest of our recent games, and real concerns persist.

    Great performance from Capoue by the way. He won 7 tackles, used the ball intelligently and quickly - MOTM by a mile. Poor old Will Hughes - if he was surrounded by better players, he'd look so much better. Kiko's worst performance by some distance, hopefully Deulofeu will start against Newcastle.
     
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  26. nornironhorn

    nornironhorn Administrator Staff Member

    Also, for those complaining at Hughes being subbed... what did he do second half?

    I'm a massive fan of his and he was brilliant first half but he didn't get into the game at all second half.
     
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  27. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Squad Player

    Winning headers does not make him worthy of a starting place. Thanks Troy but time to move on. Even your team mates can see you are yards off pace.
     
  28. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Would really like to see Heurelho back between the sticks on Saturday.
     
  29. Chumlax

    Chumlax Squad Player

    Also anyone else notice when we had our one counter attack second half and Troy was so unaware he completely missed the final pass to Hughes, who had bust a gut to be the only player on the edge of their box directly in front of goal, and instead turned around, faced the other way, and killed the attack?
     
  30. mrmoon

    mrmoon Academy Graduate

    there's some good players in this team, it's just a shame there's little in the way of a team. for now, our defence is so completely disorganised that it's obvious we're never far from the next mix up. so it proved today. there was some decent attacking play, some good moves, and good pressure high up, but when the team has no idea how to defend collectively in our half then it's no good and i'm afraid that lies with the coach.

    clearly, having deulofeu back is vital for the newcastle game and having a front three which involves him plus any of richarlison, hughes and pereyra is an inviting prospect for next week and going beyond that. we just need a coaching system to bring the best out of the defence.
     
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  31. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    That is mainly because we have had a big lump up front playing who offers nothing to stretch defences whereas today we had some pace. Something that I have been saying we needed for a long time on this forum.
     
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  32. wingco

    wingco Reservist

    Yep. He's not a 90 minute player, tends to go missing quite a lot in the second half of games
     
  33. GoingDown

    GoingDown "The Stability"

    A goalkeeper that can't catch, a coach who can't coach, a Brazilian who can't kick and fans who sing about Arsene Wenger and Arsenal.

    I love this club! COYG!
     
  34. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Deeney will be back for Newcastle I suspect. Can’t wait.
     
  35. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Administrator Staff Member

    Missed the first half but thanks to everyone in the Shout Box tonight for keeping me company.

    From what I heard on the commentary we didn't play terrible just (as so many have said) cannot put a chance away. Well, technically we did score but if was (rightly) offside and to be fair Kane had one chalked off too. A fair scoreline would of been 1-1 and that would of been a great result for us. Gray sounded a bit better but his lack of games and confidence is killing our meek attack, and Deeney coming on at HT was a mistake, but I guess you need to change things around.

    Hughes was brilliant, Delifu was great again in the middle and proved that we missed hum so badly since his throat infection. Get them two playing almost every week and sort out or crappy attack we can go further next season. Still looking over our shoulders after this loss but I really can't see us going down.

    Spurs sounded toothless and missed some sitters so it could of been worse for us, but 2-0 away to a side in the top four when we could of got smashed five or six hasn't hit our goal difference to badly. I just hope the lads can see what good did come out of tonight performance wise and take that into Newcastle. It's our last home game - lets at least send us all home happy one last time before we get decked at Old Trafford, or do a WBA...

    Overall, a much better away performance than of late but it's killing us not taking chances.
     
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  36. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Squad Player

    Depends which Newcastle turn up. They have 40+ points so may not be up for it in which case Deeney could get a hat-trick, lol
     
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