The Final Games

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by hornetboy1, Mar 21, 2021.

  1. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Tricky last 3 games for Norwich, QPR, Reading and Barnsley, it's still possible you know! Wouldn't be putting any money on it mind you!
     
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  2. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    Shows how unpredictable and how hard it is to predict these results, especially at the end of the season. 4/14 correct


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  3. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I didn't realise how bad my predictions have been only FOUR right :oops:
     
  4. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    As it stands the maximum points that our rivals who mathematically could still catch us are: -

    Brentford's Max points are 87
    Muff's Max points are 86
    Swansea's Max Points are 85

    We currently have 85 points, therefore 3 more points would get us to 88 points which would see us clear in the 2nd automatic promotion spot and nobody would be able to catch us.

    Furthermore the Max points Norwich can get are 99, and they are currently on 90. The Max points we can get are 94 points so Norwich need 5 points to guarantee the title, and their remaining games are no cake walk. They have QPR Away; Reading at Home and Barnsley Away so they could still easily slip up and let us in.

    So roll on Saturday, and lets start catching Norwich by smashing Millwall and hunting Norwich down.....

    WE COULD STILL WIN THIS TITLE​
     
    Last edited: Apr 22, 2021
  5. Supertommymooney

    Supertommymooney Squad Player

    Can I come out from behind the sofa yet?
     
  6. Johnny Todd Sings

    Johnny Todd Sings First Year Pro

    Perhaps a team from South Yorkshire will score a very late equalising goal to send the top slot south.
     
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  7. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    Mine have been worse. A few of these recent Swansea and Brentford results have been good old coupon busters.


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  8. ITK platypus

    ITK platypus Squad Player

    So the two massive, season defining crunch games against Brentford and Swansea are now rendered meaningless dead rubbers.

    We can just relax and let them play out while our already vanquished opponents sweat about the playoffs.

    What an utterly joyous state of affairs.
     
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  9. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Not much sweating about the play-offs to be done in the next two weeks now that the four teams are decided. It’s just a question of sorting out who plays who. I’d still like to see Brentford make it; Barnsley second choice.
     
  10. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Following our loss last weekend and Norwich winning yesterday I think winning the league is not very likely. I expect the both Brentford and Swansea whilst wanting to finish the regular season strongly will probably rotate to get match fitness of fringe players and protect their important players now the play offs are guaranteed for them both.
     
  11. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    Those wins against Norwich and Millwall turned out to be crucial given that Brentford and Swansea didn't drop points in fixtures they were expected to this weekend.
     
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  12. MIlton Dammers

    MIlton Dammers Reservist

    For 3 of the 4 playoff teams, the season is going to end in utter heartbreak. All their hard work for nothing. All their dreams shattered.

    Lol!
     
  13. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    Forgot about Reading scoring when I posted that. I doubt they’ll even get to the final on recent form.
     
  14. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    My Run In Predictions (Updated from #243) Edited 25th April 2021

    WATFORD
    Boro away 1pt - As Predicted
    Reading home 3pts - As Predicted
    Luton away 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Norwich away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point

    Millwall home 3pts - As Predicted
    Brentford away 1pt
    Swansea home 3pts
    Edited Prediction still 14 points

    SWANSEA
    PNE home 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Millwall away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Sheff Wed away 3pts - As Predicted
    Wycombe home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    QPR home 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 3 points

    Reading away 1pt - As Predicted
    Derby home 3pts
    Watford away 0pts
    Edited Prediction still 11 points

    BRENTFORD
    Huddersfield away 1pt - As Predicted
    Birmingham home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    PNE away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1pt
    Millwall home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Cardiff home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points

    Bournemouth away - 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Rotherham home 3pts
    Watford home 1pt
    Bristol city away 3pts
    Edited Prediction now 17 points

    None of this really matters anymore, but I 'll continue to see how close I got to being right.

    WATFORD - My Predicted Total Now 92 points

    SWANSEA - My Predicted Total Now 80 points

    BRENTFORD - My Predicted Total Now 85 points
     
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  15. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    My Run In Predictions (Updated from #259) Edited 27th April 2021

    WATFORD
    Boro away 1pt - As Predicted
    Reading home 3pts - As Predicted
    Luton away 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Norwich away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Millwall home 3pts - As Predicted

    Brentford away 1pt
    Swansea home 3pts
    Edited Prediction still 14 points

    SWANSEA
    PNE home 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Millwall away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Sheff Wed away 3pts - As Predicted
    Wycombe home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    QPR home 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Reading away 1pt - As Predicted

    Derby home 3pts
    Watford away 0pts
    Edited Prediction still 11 points

    BRENTFORD
    Huddersfield away 1pt - As Predicted
    Birmingham home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    PNE away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1pt
    Millwall home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Cardiff home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Bournemouth away - 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Rotherham home 3pts - As Predicted

    Watford home 1pt
    Bristol city away 3pts
    Edited Prediction still 17 points

    None of this really matters anymore, but I 'll continue to see how close I can get to being right.

    WATFORD - My Predicted Total now 92 points

    SWANSEA - My Predicted Total now 80 points

    BRENTFORD - My Predicted Total now 85 points

    BELOW ARE MY ORIGINAL PREDICTIONS: -


    The Run In: -
    I am going to estimate the points as I type to try and get a realistic outcome.

    WATFORD
    Boro away 1pt
    Reading home 3pts
    Luton away 1pt
    Norwich away 1pt
    Millwall home 3pts
    Brentford away 1pt
    Swansea home 3pts
    TOTAL 13 points

    SWANSEA
    PNE home 3pts
    Millwall away 1pt
    Sheff Wed away 3pts
    Wycombe home 3pts
    QPR home 3pts
    Reading away 1pt
    Derby home 3pts
    Watford away 0pts
    TOTAL 17 points

    BRENTFORD
    Huddersfield away 1pt
    Birmingham home 3pts
    PNE away 1pt
    Millwall home 3pts
    Cardiff home 3pts
    Bournemouth away 1pt
    Rotherham home 3pts
    Watford home 1pt
    Bristol city away 3pts
    TOTAL 19pts

    If this scenario were to happen, and I think it is not an unreasonable scenario in fact I think if anything I have been generous to our opponents in some cases, then the final points for each team would be: -

    WATFORD 91 points

    SWANSEA 86 points

    BRENTFORD 87 points

    So far we are heading for 1 more point than I predicted.

    Swansea could still achieve the points I predicted, but would have to win their last two games, which would include a win over us, to do that.

    Brentford are heading for 2 more points than my prediction, but that would also require a win over us to achieve that.
     
    Last edited: Apr 27, 2021
  16. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    My Run In Predictions (Updated from #260) Edited 27th April 2021

    WATFORD
    Boro away 1pt - As Predicted
    Reading home 3pts - As Predicted
    Luton away 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Norwich away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Millwall home 3pts - As Predicted

    Brentford away 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Swansea home 3pts
    Edited Prediction 13 points

    SWANSEA
    PNE home 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Millwall away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Sheff Wed away 3pts - As Predicted
    Wycombe home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    QPR home 0pts - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Reading away 1pt - As Predicted

    Derby home 3pts - As Predicted
    Watford away 0pts
    Edited Prediction still 11 points

    BRENTFORD
    Huddersfield away 1pt - As Predicted
    Birmingham home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    PNE away 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1pt
    Millwall home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Cardiff home 1pt - Edited Had Predicted 3 points
    Bournemouth away - 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Rotherham home 3pts - As Predicted

    Watford home - 3pts - Edited Had Predicted 1 point
    Bristol city away 3pts
    Edited Prediction 19 points

    None of this really matters anymore, but I 'll continue to see how close I can get to being right.

    WATFORD - My Predicted Total now 91 points

    SWANSEA - My Predicted Total now 80 points

    BRENTFORD - My Predicted Total now 87 points


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    BELOW ARE MY ORIGINAL PREDICTIONS: -

    The Run In: -
    I am going to estimate the points as I type to try and get a realistic outcome.

    WATFORD
    Boro away 1pt
    Reading home 3pts
    Luton away 1pt
    Norwich away 1pt
    Millwall home 3pts
    Brentford away 1pt
    Swansea home 3pts
    TOTAL 13 points

    SWANSEA
    PNE home 3pts
    Millwall away 1pt
    Sheff Wed away 3pts
    Wycombe home 3pts
    QPR home 3pts
    Reading away 1pt
    Derby home 3pts
    Watford away 0pts
    TOTAL 17 points

    BRENTFORD
    Huddersfield away 1pt
    Birmingham home 3pts
    PNE away 1pt
    Millwall home 3pts
    Cardiff home 3pts
    Bournemouth away 1pt
    Rotherham home 3pts
    Watford home 1pt
    Bristol city away 3pts
    TOTAL 19pts

    If this scenario were to happen, and I think it is not an unreasonable scenario in fact I think if anything I have been generous to our opponents in some cases, then the final points for each team would be: -

    WATFORD 91 points

    SWANSEA 86 points

    BRENTFORD 87 points


    If my predictions next week are right, I will have got the right points totals for Watford and Brentford and only got Swansea's wrong.
     
  17. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    Gray starts. Was crap. As predicted.
    Success comes on. Was crap. As predicted.
    Sema starts. Was crap. That's the way it has been lately.
    Wilmot and Perica given 5 minutes. Why only that?
    Hungbo played well. Shame he had to go off.
     
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  18. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Why did an aging CB play out of position ahead of Ngakia?
     
  19. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Latter must be injured as he wasn’t on the bench .
     
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  20. MIlton Dammers

    MIlton Dammers Reservist

    injury i think
     
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  21. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    That wasn't one of our main problems.
     
  22. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Was it just as well we got promoted last week, or were we simply on the piss? You'd imagine we'd have taken the risk on some of the players had the game had something on it tbf
     
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  23. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever Administrator Staff Member

    Good point there !

    I mean we would have been screwed if points were needed.
     
  24. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    Even if we'd drawn to Millwall, 2 points from the last two games wouldn't have been a certainty, thank **** we got the job done!
     
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  25. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Not saying it was. Just don't understand the logic of not giving young players vital experience.
     
  26. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    I think Pericia should be given a run out in the final game, IMO he has been unfairly treated of late as he always looks better than Gray or Success whenever he manages to get on the pitch.

    Just look at yesterday, he was only on the pitch for a few minutes and he did better than Gray & Success put together in that short time.
     
  27. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    It's annoying being, a new term I learnt during the ESL fiasco, a "legacy" fan. You know the type of supporter who expected their team to challenge for first place. I fully understand the "...not challenging for top spot due to the risk of injuries..." and the entertainment versus sport argument but I do feel a little short-changed.
     
  28. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Can’t wait for the hysteria when Deeney plays a part against Swansea.
     
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  29. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    As long as it's only from the bench I don't mind, and if he stays next season "The Bench" should be his starting position at best, unless he is needs to start during an injury crisis.
     
  30. a19tgg

    a19tgg First Team

    I think it was always inevitable unfortunately. I know over five seasons it’s a completely different team now, but throughout our time in the PL we consistently switched off after getting to 40 points. Was it the mazzari season we got to 40 and then lost our last 6 and finished 17th? There is probably a stronger argument to keep going in the PL as each place is worth £2m whereas it makes no difference at all in the championship, you’d assume Gino would want the money, but even assuming he did then it clearly was never taken seriously by the players or coaches. It was therefore never going to happen in the championship for a meaningless trophy.
     
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  31. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Squad Player

    Surely it's a different way of calling someone a 'glory-hunter'?
     
  32. Happy bunny

    Happy bunny Cheered up a bit

    We didn't really stand much chance of being champions. Hungbo deserved a start now that the pressure's off, and so did Cathcart and Kaba who lost their place through injury. Gray didn't, of course, and those two early injuries showed that we'd run out of viable subs. Ken is off form and the other two up front are useless and need to be binned this summer.

    I'd love to know why Wilmot and Perica have been out in the cold, though. Illness, injury, family issues, bad behaviour or just that Xisco doesn't rate them?
     
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  33. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Squad Player

    We can't knock Xisco too much seeing what we've done since he came in, but his treatment of Ngakia, Wilmot and Perica has been a bit weird, all three of them have got hardly any minutes in their actual positions since he came in, and I dare say Quina and Garner didn't fancy their chances of getting into the team with Xisco at the helm neither
     
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  34. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    Dunno - in my coaching of kids sports (rugby and hockey) I always tried to instil an ethos of "...giving 110% effort for the entire 80 mins..." and "...heads always up...". If the other team was getting battering, and if I had the luxury of a 'full bench', I would think about giving some of me less confident players more games time.
     
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  35. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Squad Player

    Saturday's game reinforced the need to strengthen as did the first Tranmere game last season, as some of the fringe players don't even look good enough to be backup, at least in combination with one or more other players who aren't starter quality.
     

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