The Championship 2020-21

I'm not sure there's much need to ask the lucky recipients of free tickets and hospitality if moving a ko time is alright with them...

 

Obviously I get the joke (nice) but just for any avoidance of doubt they are extremely different things.

 

Yeah, that's supposedly the main reason quoted/suggested by the Guardian article Keighley linked on the issue - still, though, that seems a little pathetic in this day and age, if you ask me. The idea that any coverage of the Royal Family is essentially anything other than 100% opt-in seems wrong to me, and to create that situation out of fear is a bit cowardly and a bit ineffective, since the red-top rags and those who get their opinions from them aren't about to change their lunatic opinions on how the Beeb is a commie propaganda machine because they managed to hold them hostage for a day when Prince Philip died.

 

I'm hoping it's a 5pm kick off time,selfishly as I won't have to cancel any work.
This means it will be 12.30pm!

 

Yeah, yeah.

People's pets are an entirely different thing - a genuine member of their family; it is a total false equivalence.

In terms of deaths in our own obituary columns, you might understand that people have different reactions to that here, too, shockingly.

I don't really know why you insist on assuming/reading the most extreme form of everything ever - I'm not 'so angry', nor is anyone else here, and you apparently refuse to recognise that even though you are very quick to dispel any assertion of people 'losing their minds' because you haven't seen it/read it solely in whatever your exact, utterly literal interpretation of it is.

My initial post also had nothing to do with football timings, and again, there's no anger in it - it's a discussion about how we all feel on the subject, and what we believe the appropriate level of reaction is.

Further, I don't see why the fact that it's rare should have any bearing on whether you comment on something or not, or how you feel about it, having just happened. I'd prefer it not to happen every week, that's for sure, but it would be an impressive trick, apart from anything else. The fact that it does not does not suddenly make me totally love it because it's a one off.

 

Yeah we were guaranteed a loss vs. Man city, and an outside chance of any result vs Arsenal.

Would be perfectly reasonable to expect 4 points from our last 2, though 2 draws would suffice.

 

It's a bit stupid. Those foaming nutters aren't going to cease their endless cries for defunding the biased, lefty beeb, but loyal supporters like me are massively turned off by this force fed forelock tuggathon.

 

I can’t forget games like Leeds. I know there were obvious extenuating circumstances, but a game we should’ve won we lost. That was an easier game than Swansea and Brentford will be. If we need results in either game, then all bets are off as far as what we can and can’t do.

From a Brentford perspective they won 8 on the bounce last season then lost their last two, so they choked in the final two games but were magnificent all the way up to it. This season of they get to a position where beating us will potentially send them up then it will be the opposite, we will be the ones who had been great then choked at the last minute.

 

I totally understand your caution, in honesty. We've all been hurt before...

It would just be really great if Brentford could slip up just once more, even, in the next couple of games, to make it really nice and comfortable/non-vexatious for us worriers, but of course, whichever side of the fence you come down on, nothing but time and the next set of results will actually becalm or rouse any of these fears/paranoia/optimism any further.

 

Noted. But Brentford had a better side last season.

 

Yeah, I really hope we can get it done before those games and I think that wins against Luton and Millwall will probably do it.

I just think if we go into those final two games needing something (obviously a little depends on what that something is) then all bets are off. It doesn’t really matter how good we’ve been before, you’re almost then into a playoff situation.

I don’t for a second believe we can’t get results against both teams if we need them, but it seems like some people also believe that also means those teams cat get results against us. We aren’t significantly better enough than either, that in a one off scenario, a dubious penalty, red card, injury etc couldn’t easily tip the scales the other way.

 

I watched the first half of the Brentford match yesterday. In all fairness PNE looked liked they were really having a right go at them. A little more care and it could of started so differently. But the formation change looked like it suited them.
Swansea or Brentford would swap positions and run ins with us in a heartbeat, so personally I'm not so anxious about things.
I said yesterday that I believed Millwall would help us out but they were shocking and we have nothing to worry about against them. Luton were losing right up until a sending off for Wycombe late on and in all fairness we've beaten Norwich three times on the spin. That's the game I'm looking forward to most.

 

Neither Brentford or Swansea will win all their last 6 games, at best they'll get 12 points which means we need 1 more result

As for Philip, not having a funeral mid week, state occasion, bank holidays etc, in the modern world is the right thing. It doesn't matter if it was a 3pm on a Saturday or mid-day on a Sunday it was going to disrupt something.
There will be a lot more people around the world who are interested in his funeral and want to pay their own respects, than have any interest in the Championship.

 

Then what does it matter if the games in it go ahead at the same time as scheduled?

(Not that I'm angry about this, or particularly bothered as long as they still kick off at broadly the same time/the same day)

 

That’s not what I actually said though was it? There’s certainly a chance we could slip up, but I just feel in order to lose, Luton would need a monumental slice of luck and/or we would have to return to the level of the Wycombe/QPR/Huddersfield/Coventry away performances.

 

That’s harsh. Last season has been and gone and as I said on the Cleverley thread, it’s how players supposedly not good enough for the Prem (Kiko, Sema, Cleverley) perform now and in the future that matters. As I said, players can have peaks and troughs even in the latter stages of their career, it’s not always an upward trajectory until they near 30 and then it’s downhill from there. Assuming we go up, next season will be a very different situation when Kiko will be playing as a rejuvenated player in a side with much better team spirit without the several underperformers to upset the apple cart whom we had last season.

Besides, you don’t know for certain we will even be in a relegation battle next season, and Kiko performed OK during the seasons when we weren’t in danger of relegation, and even if we are, Kiko has the experience of playing against battling/physical sides and under the pressure of big games to be well equipped for the battle ahead.

 

I honestly think our season ending is totally down to the teams attitude to every one of the last games.
If we go out and play on the front foot we can expect some respectable results with say 2 wins, a loss and 2 draws.
If however we go into our shells and start playing defensively then it could all go horribly wrong.
Energy and attitude please...

 

If we beat Luton and Millwall then we’re already close to the point where nothing less than 6 wins from 6 for Swans/Bees is good enough

 

Performing well against Championship sides is an entirely different level from the Prem. Kiko was woefully out of his depth many, many times in the top flight and his mentality is very questionable IMO.

Yes, he's been more than decent this year, but if we base our decisions on that, rather than his proven failings at the higher level, then we deserve to struggle. Happy to have Kiko as a 3rd choice utility fullback, but no more than that. We don't want more than 5 or 6 games out of him.

As for the likes of Deeney, Gray and Perica, they haven't even managed to shine at this level, so we need them gone by whatever means possible.

 

Brentford beat a team with the 3rd worst home record. Swansea, admittedly, beat a useful Millwall team. However the oft used term when Watford won earlier in the season when we weren’t playing well, “one swallow does not make a summer”. It was inevitable Swansea and Brentford were going to win at some point. The only reason for worry is the convincing manner of the wins.

Brentford still have Bournemouth to play and Swansea still have to play Reading. Neither is going to be easy. Aside from one or two games, none of the others are walks in the park either. Yes we’ve got a challenging run in but we have the points on the board. I still believe 87 will do it and I still believe we get promoted against Millwall.


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You may think its a false equivalence because you think a dog/cat/budgie is a genuine member of the family. Others may/will not feel the same.

I didn't say you were "angry" (although some people seem to be including the poster you quoted) and neither did I say you would "love it" if it was a one off. What with your "absolutely losing their minds" as it looks like it is you thinking "extreme", not me.

The fact that our game on Saturday is being moved an hour or two by such an event for the first time in about 1,000 games demonstrates that only a little bit of tolerance is required. It is only a game, you know.

And it is great that you thought you could contribute to the discussion, as that is all I was doing.

 

Absolutely no reason for us to play defensively against L*ton and Millwall, player for player we are much better than them, and I don't think either of their managers are as canny as Warnock who set up Boro very well to stifle us, even after we scored. You'd hope we won't go into our shell for our games against the big boys of the division, but we'll see how those games pan out

 

Yeah, again, the comment you replied to didn't even mention/wasn't even on the subject of the games being moved, and I've outlined my thoughts on that perfectly reasonably in more than one other post in this thread already.

 

Respect and national etiquette

If the games put back 24 hours will it matter ?
A couple of weeks ago people were questioning why a derby match wasn't being shown on the sunday anyhow

 

I've answered this already in here but yes, of course - teams plan their prep and recovery to minute details, and the next round of Championship fixtures is a midweek game - we play Norwich on the following Tuesday evening. Any kind of change that would actually be impactful, outside of a minor timing issue on the day, would be insane. I doubt the EFL would be meekly accepting it either, if it came down to it.

 

It would have been interesting if there had been full crowds at matches when this happened. Would they have readily moved matches if people’s travel and accommodation arrangements were affected?

 

So do you think we will win draw or lose? You seem to be saying its a certain win unless we play badly or Luton are lucky. Seems to me you can say “told you so” whatever happens on Saturday!

 

Of course they would. 100%.

 

I'm confused? What game were you on about with this comment?

 

That's not the issue of game timings, is it - it's a totally separate issue about a decision to remove coverage for absolutely no reason, and the optics of said decision.

 

Oh yes, of course, football matches being affected by a death/funeral, is a"totally separate issue" from football matches being affected by a death/funeral.

Yeah, of course it is! Not even on the same planet!

 

Spot on. Just like the brexit ERG vvankers, they 'won' their stupid brexit, but rather than stop and say let's make it work, they pushed for and got the hardest brexit possible short of a no deal, to the ruination of countless businesses, and the end of peace in NI. And then transformed into the 'Covid Recovery Group' because these ****s can't be appeased, as Johnson like many before him will find.