Success And Perica

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by wfc4ever, Jan 7, 2021.

  1. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

  2. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    My prediction is if we saw these two play for a number of weeks, the exact same opinion will be formed as of the Gray/Deeney partnership. None of our central strikers are any good, no matter what combination you use.
     
  3. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Remarkably convenient that any competition for our bestest mates front two is injured and no doubt will be forever.
     
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  4. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Reservist

    I'm not sure, I think they would both be an improvement but they wouldn't be enough of an improvement to fire us to the automatic promotion places. Perica for me has the best movement out of our other strikers (especially Troy) and he is technically better than Gray. The goal against Brentford that was incorrectly ruled out but was movement to get half a yard on the strikers and a good finish. Neither Gray or Deeney would have put
    that away as they can't attack the ball. Perica has shown glimpses that he can do that. Succes is better than Gray in every department, he is just as quick and is stronger and has more technical ability. We could literally replace Gray with a penguin and it would have the same impact.
     
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  5. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Perica not been seen since Deeney said that at this level he's got to be burying that chance against Norwich on Hive Live.

    'not digging out Stipe, obviously, but he had to bury that, he's clearly not as good as me and I just need to make that really obvious to the fans. Not digging him out, though. Not at all'
     
  6. LeedsOrn

    LeedsOrn First Year Pro

    A bit strange that Troost-Ekong was not mentioned, no? Seen a few pictures on his and the club's social media of him smiling and training, but not mentioned in the injury update. Maybe just an oversight?
     
  7. reids

    reids Squad Player

    He was on the bench in our last game so presume he's fit again.
     
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  8. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Didn't Gray in particular miss 2 very good chances too?

    Perica slipped or stepped on the ball if I remember - those things happen.
     
  9. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    This was his ‘go to’ about Deulofeu as well if I remember rightly. Knew he was nowhere near as good so felt the need to highlight every miss Deulofeu made. Remember him digging Geri out about it at the fan event.
     
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  10. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Reservist

    To be fair this is coming from such an incredible finisher :confused:

    Wonder if there was a bit of mind games as Troy didn't fancy the competition.
     
  11. Carpster

    Carpster Reservist

    Corrected for you.
     
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  12. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    Perica deserves the benefit of the doubt.
    The others im not so sure
     
  13. a19tgg

    a19tgg Squad Player

    If we added every single of of our strikers together and made one player we’d still only have half a Steve Kabba.
     
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  14. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Reservist

    Or a mechanically imbalanced Stern John
     
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  15. BigRossLittleRoss

    BigRossLittleRoss Squad Player

    Or a grammatically imbalanced Collins John ( who never signed for us in the end )
     
  16. Manatleisure

    Manatleisure Reservist

    If this is all true about Perica he wouldve got more game time up to now. Things could change going forward of course. As for Success,wide of the mark, all he ever could do was draw fouls bringing the ball out. So he's got it to prove.

    I dont particularly care who partners Deeney as long as it helps us win games but your praise for players hardly seen so far is a bit over the top. And referring Gray to a penguin kills credibility further as its just a personal attack. Deeney has less movement.
     
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  17. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    When was the last time Success actually played!?

    So much for being ready to get involved...

    I mean how much are we paying to be injured all the time?

    He should be big, powerful and strong but spends most of the time on the floor.

    Mind you even Perica did that a couple of times - but he is younger and certainly more mobile.

    This Phil Z will probably end up playing as a striker with Pedro.
     
  18. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    It seems to me that even if Success suddenly comes good that he won't be around for long, as he is not expected to be fit until the END OF FEBRUARY!!! That will mean he will have been out for a year before he returns, which seems to me to be a long time to be out with a HAMSTRING INJURY!!! Therefore to me that does not bode well for his chances of staying fit for long.

    As for Perica I have had high hopes that he might turn into a decent striker for us, however he too is out until mid-February!!! This makes me wonder if we might have a "Mr. Sicknote" on our hands, as he has already had a few innocuous injuries during his short time with us.

    All in all although they both have the potential to be decent strikers, I have to ask ARE THEY BOTH JUST TOO INJURY PRONE?
     
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  19. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    A bit harsh. But yet, this is feeling like the second half of 2007/08, when we had such riches to choose from up front as Kabba, Ellington, Priskin and Henderson (who picked up more cards than actual goals, though still ended up our top scorer).
     
  20. tonycotonstache

    tonycotonstache Reservist

    Yeah that's the one!
     
  21. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    Perica is six months older than Success.
     
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  22. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Success had an Achilles problem that kept him out for a long time I think. Hamstring seems to be a new issue.
     
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  23. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Fair enough - Success has been around so long he is probably younger than I think .

    We do seem to have players who pick up a lot of secondary injuries but maybe it’s the norm ?
     
  24. Davy Crockett

    Davy Crockett First Year Pro

    He never said Gray is a penguin
    He said a penguin would be as much use
     
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  25. Chumlax

    Chumlax Reservist

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  26. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

    This is his fifth season at Watford and he's only made a fraction of the impact that, say, Danny Graham made in two. What a waste.
     
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  27. lutonh8a

    lutonh8a Reservist

    I think that you are getting confused, I was suggesting that the players are better than Gray and Deeney not that they were excellent players. I think it is fair to say Perica attacks the ball better than Gray or Deeney seeming as he has actually managed to get on the end of crosses something the others definitely don't. Secondly, I am not well off the mark about Success I said previously that he is arguably just as fast as Gray and he is certainly stronger and has better technical ability than him, seeming as he can actually control the ball and pass it (again I am not saying that he is brilliant but simply pointing out that Success would be an improvement on Gray).
    I also said that we could play a penguin up front and it would have the same impact, I am not sure that is a personal attack, more of an observation about Gray's effectiveness.

    I don't know why Perica hasn't played more but I partly think it's down to the managers not wanting to play two big strikers and for whatever reason, they won't drop Deeney. Perica has still managed 1 goal which is the same amount of goals as Gray and the same number of goals from open play as Deeney.
     
  28. Abdi

    Abdi Academy Graduate

    £12.5m we paid for Isaac Success. Possibly the worst business this club has ever done.

    £18.5m for Gray was horrific but at least he had the occasional good moment.
     
  29. Very loyal though. While Richarlison has moved on, he's stuck with us. Must be due a testimonial soon ? Doubt he'd be fit, or get in the team though :-(
     
  30. DaveWFC

    DaveWFC Academy Graduate

    Its almost comforting to have reached the point in the calendar year where we collectively have that brief, fleeting hope that Isaac Success will miraculously come good.

    He is a mass of despair. In terms of his Watford career as a whole, actually playing football seems to have been a minor inconvenience for him - an unpleasant and tedious chore he has to do every once in a while.


    Perica doesn't look that great tbh, and seems to be gathering the same clamour to be played that Will Hoskins had literally because he's Someone Else. Though having said that, I'd start him over either of The Tw@ts in a heartbeat.

    Comparing these guys to our 2014/15 strike force of Deeney (pre-PL), Vydra, Ighalo and Forestieri is hugely depressing, and another obvious reason why we won't be promoted.
     
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  31. RS2

    RS2 First Year Pro

    Success is our best striker. I'm yet to be convinced otherwise.
     
  32. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    Certainly better than Hoskins, though I'd imagine the bar is somewhat higher now.
     
  33. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    That's probably because you've never seen him play, NO ONE HAS :D
     
  34. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard First Team

    We've gone full circle haven't we? We're now pinning our hopes on the return of Isaac Success (once again) who has scored 2 ******* league goals since 2016
     
  35. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    Before I make a comment, can I just check, do you mean the animal or the biscuit?

    Actually never mind it works both ways.
     
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