South American Football - Primera/ Campeanato/libertadores

The man weasel who stated that Richarlison wouldn't have an impact at Watford or the Premier League has now decided that a positive WC for England is a good enough reason to insult a man who's no longer here to defend himself regarding a series of games that took place 25 years ago.

For those too young to remember it at the time - this is a small example of the embedded hatred within the media that GT had to cope with during his spell with England (and at Watford when we started beating their favourite clubs).

Whether you think GT should have done better or was unlucky due to form, injury and retirements is irrelevant - why would you make these kind of public comments about something that occurred a quarter of a century ago whilst his family and many, many friends and fans are still grieving over his untimely death??!!

His praise for that other scumbag, Brian Glanville, says it all.

You know it's a low blow when even a Luton fan defends GT.

If you're on Twitter - let this ****** know what you think: https://twitter.com/Tim_Vickery/status/1018094646512246784

 

Excellent to see almost everyone calling him out.

 

i like vickery

 

The you're a traitor and you're also out of the gang.

 

Who is he anyway?
GT is a legend. End of.

 

Yes, please go to Reddit.

I hadn’t visited Reddit until someone (Arakel?) pointed out all the Trump stuff there.

Looks s fantastic trove.

 

Fan’s a lusophone.

 

I am probably over protective of Graham Taylor and I had no axe to grind with Vickery,at least not before the Chas episode.
For someone who likes to portray himself as a commentator of some gravitas, I would imagine he will regret this utterance.
Thankfully most people have corrected him.
Gamma minus Vickery. Must try harder.

 

Never seen too much of Vickery. The small number of times I have he says something that turns out to be completely wrong, or he makes an absolute plonker of himself.

In this case, it's the latter scenario.

 

Nations League against Spain and Croatia will be the thing they're rubbing their hands waiting for.

 

The World Cup is over. The England team can **** off until a Watford player is picked.

As for Tim Vickery, used to know him, he's in South America where he belongs. Couldn't cut it with the big boys.

 

There was a poor pundit called Vickery
Who loved all Brazilian trickery
He hated GT
But it now seems to me
He deserves a degree for his thickery.

 

Sorry, we only write
In Alexandrine pentameter
On this forum m8.

 

Further bile from Vickery as he ***** all over GT's character; nicely shot down by Mirror journalist Mike Walters.

People may not be aware that Vickery is a Spurs fan. A lot of the hatred that came GT's and Watford's way really took off after we beat them 0-1 at White Hart Lane in Nov 82. These simpletons have had it in for him ever since - how dare he bring a team of journeyman and rough diamonds to the homes of Fleet Streets favourites and have the gall to win.

There's a great line at the end of the film Cloud Atlas, delivered by Hugo Weaving, that sums it up perfectly (especially when you consider how GT was treated by the press for the remainder of his management career).

"There is a natural order to this world, and those who try to upend it do not fare well. This movement will never survive; if you join them, you and your entire family will be shunned. At best, you will exist a pariah to be spat at and beaten-at worst, to be lynched or crucified. And for what? For what? No matter what you do it will never amount to anything more than a single drop in a limitless ocean."

https://twitter.com/MikeWaltersMGM/status/1019239325853249538

 

What an absolute Edmund he is proving to be!
Not only does he dig a large GT sized hole,he then proceeds to wallpaper it with mean spirited,incorrect assessments of the man and his teams.
Sap!
A good response from Mike Walters.

 

"Liked" for both the post's content and the use of a quote from one of the greatest films ever made BUT you really shouldn't have quoted the first part of the dialogue - you should have included the response:

 

Agreed - but this is my favourite -

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If this is indeed the Great Man, he has just shot up even further in my estimation.

 

Cloud Atlas is one of the greatest films ever made? Seriously?

I must confess that I didn't even know it was a film, though I am aware of the book.

 

If only there was some way rectifying this...

 

Well, now that you have recommended it, perhaps I will!

 

Surely he was 'Stewart'?

 

You're spot on.

Still like this reply though...

 

Vickery still trying to justify his disrespectful comments but only succeeding in outing himself as a deeply unpleasant man hiding behind his fake, clip-on smile.

Brilliant to see Luther, Andrew French and Mike Vince defend the great man (and mention the link between Vickery and Glanville - the agenda this whole diatribe stems from):

https://twitter.com/androofrench/status/1019581760080932864

https://twitter.com/halo_straight/status/1019504509595287552

Apologies if anybody is getting tired of this - but GT would have defended anyone within the Watford circle (and from outside of it). Now he's no longer able to defend himself, it's up to us to prevent this moron from spreading false information about such a wonderful man.

 

He (Vickery) has the right to not like Graham Taylor, be it on a personal level or as a manager of England and/or Watford. I've no problem with that.

But to bring Taylor up as the reason England had an advantage just reeks of someone with an axe so large to grind, no stone will ever be big enough to satiate that desire.

I can only presume the shovel he's using to dig himself into that massive hole is of a similar size to his axe.

I used to like listening to his views on football when I regularly tuned into the world football show on 5live years ago.
Now I'm just wondering how many grudges he holds and to what level his bias towards individuals (good or bad) drive his journalistic integrity.

 

Spot on.

 

Sometimes it's just best to say nothing Tim.

 

Liked him previously. Always thought he came across well rounded. This point he made and the subsequent waffle to justify it afterwards simply makes him look like a bit of a ****.

 

Did anyone get to ask him what made for a good England coach?

 

I mean Christ we had McLaren, Keegan, Hoddle, Capello, Eriksson that he could have said were failures with what they had to try and balance it but no he just went personal straight away on GT. Odd and pretty dumb in equal measure.

 

Iambic tetrameter's too good for you?

 

Fine for me, but not for @Rookery Dad, apparently.

 

I do agree with you and Vickery has gone way down in my estimation with his comments. However, to be fair, the point he was trying to make was in comparing England’s situation now with 1990, the two occasions they have made the WC semi-final. So all those other failed managers don’t come into it.