So What Should Actually Happen - Poll

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Ybotcoombes, May 15, 2020.

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What should happen

  1. Void season no winner no relegation

    82 vote(s)
    55.8%
  2. End season using a mathematical formula

    24 vote(s)
    16.3%
  3. Restart in June

    5 vote(s)
    3.4%
  4. Restart when safe , play until season is ended , worry about next season later

    33 vote(s)
    22.4%
  5. Something else

    3 vote(s)
    2.0%
  1. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    If 95% of players and clubs want to play they will.

    A majority would have to vote to end but that won't happen as teams in Europe battles and relegation positions aren't going to given the FA have said it cannot just be voided.

    Deeney has a strong person view point which people admire and agree on but no one else has said no to training - in public anyway.

    It's going to the big clubs or big names to say no before anyone really notices I suspect.

    Personally reckon Deeney and Peason would have said what they have had we been going for Europe and in the cups but like with Brighton some think it's some kind of agenda- mainly from twitchy Liverpool fans it has to be said!

    At no stage has anyone demanded the season to end as "they don't want to go down" but that is the general attitude/feeling.

    It's all very cynical, money driven and self centred.

    Bet Sky say no to FTA games as it will hurt their brand for example.
     
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  2. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I’m going to withdraw from the forum for a while. I need to get into a different mindset and at the moment I’m reading it feeling like I need to reply etc etc.

    My personal family circumstances are a reason. I find some of the recent comments alluding to one of our players elaborating or even faking an illness in his child quite disturbing, as much as they are freedom of speech. I genuinely can’t believe what I’m reading when people suggest such things.

    I’m sure I will comment again in the next couple of weeks at some point. And I’ll be regular again at some stage. But I have no interest while emotions are polarised to the point that some fans I’ve conversed with for years will openly claim a player of ours will elaborate an illness in his child. It’s beyond the pale.
     
  3. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    :mad::mad::mad:
     
  4. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Come on Burnsy, we have the weirdest fans in the world. That's not a surprise. It really manifests itself on this forum.

    Deeney is always the target of certain people round here, always has been. I think it's pretty obvious why he is. It's not that subtle.
     
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  5. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    I guess the counter argument to that is there is a flu vaccine. I’m not totally convinced of the CV19 risk to babies argument but it’s hard to judge without knowing the circumstances and you can see why any parent might err on the side of caution.

    It’s nice for premier league players to have the luxury to say no to returning to work.
     
  6. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    I personally think it’s reasonable and expected to have people both support Troy as well as disagree with his stance. I don’t think anything else comes into it.
     
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  7. Me too. So moving to a different location for a few weeks to finish the season with WFC would make my son even safer that me staying at home and risking infecting him from whatever source.
     
  8. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    Yes this bit is important, is Troy now going to self isolate in his house until there is a vaccine? He’s fortunate that he has the choice to do this should he wish to do so. And if he deems the risk of playing football too great, then popping to the shops will be of equal or greater risk, as an example. I’m not necessarily disagreeing with his stance but that is something he needs to come consider.
     
  9. The Voice of Reason

    The Voice of Reason First Team Captain

    Popping to the shops is not the same as participating in a full blooded contact sport, and quite frankly football isn't in any way essential but getting food to feed your family is.
     
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  10. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    A full blooded contact sport where all participants have been tested for the virus and found negative, yes.
     
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  11. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    Playing football will be safer than going to the shops, do you get assurances everybody who had been in the supermarket that day and all the staff have been tested twice a week and are certified as virus free? Plus it’s not essential, he can get home delivery.

    Last week Boris also told everyone that couldn’t work from home to go back to work, most of those if not all of those businesses are not ‘essential’ either.
     
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  12. miked2006

    miked2006 Premiership Prediction League Proprietor

    The morbidly obese do seem to seem to suffer the most vitriol in modern society...
     
  13. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Indeed. Although, Mariappa has described his lifestyle thus (including getting home food deliveries, plus his wife going to the supermarket just "a few times"), and yet he still got the virus:

    "It was a big surprise because I haven’t really left the house, apart from some exercise and the odd walk with the kids. I’ve mainly just been homeschooling and keeping fit.

    'My lifestyle is very quiet, certainly no parties or going out or anything, so I really don’t know how I got it. Like most people, we’ve been having more deliveries of food and things, so maybe that’s one way, and my partner has been to the supermarket a few times."

    I doubt Deeney has been taking much of a different approach to him, so really it makes a mockery of Deeney's general stance.

    Unless Deeney is also now going to refuse to live in his own house as well?!

    Either that, or is he going to lock himself and his family in his house and they'll all never leave it until a vaccine is found (which still doesn't remove the chance that Mariappa could have got the virus from the home deliveries which would then become even more frequent)?
     
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  14. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    Yes, precisely. In hindsight Deeney would’ve been better off just saying he didn’t want to be away from his family for that long, because ultimately going away for a while to play football is probably going to be safer for both him and his children in comparison to just staying at home.
     
  15. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    I have come to the conclusion that it will be restarting regardless of what happens , I can imagine us having to play 9 games in 3 days with 1/2 a squad and the PL still pushing forward.

    I respect the views of those on here that think we should restart , I have however no respect for the business that is football and the way that it puts money ahead of all other concerns
     
  16. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    I have just been looking at the stats (missing football)

    248k cases , 35k deaths (data flawed as we don’t know how many people have had it but not reported , however we also know we have had a lot more deaths than expected at this time of year so belief is that deaths are under reported)

    That means 1 in 7 cases is fatal (a lot higher than I had in my mind) , no ******* wonder some footballers don’t want to play , let’s face it the chance of dying from Covid appear to be around 1 in 13000 which is 1000 times more likely than winning the lottery (I have done a lot of rounding in these calculations);
     
  17. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    my maths was dodgy it’s actually 1 in 1900, so you around 7000 x more likely to die from covid than win the lottery - well that’s uplifting
     
  18. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    Bloody hell, where to start with this.

    You can multiply the case numbers by a minimum of 10, but possibly 20 or more. Deaths are obviously skewed massively towards the elderly and/or those with comorbidities..... funnily enough elite athletes are about as far removed from either of those categories as possible. Based on confirmed case numbers the mortality rate for (normal non elite athletes) under 30s is around 0.03% but if you allow for the minimum 10 fold extra cases it’s at least 0.003%...or even less.. for elite athletes.. who knows.

    You might be bored and missing the football but unless you’re after a job with the Daily Mail you should find something to else to do
     
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  19. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    Funny thing is I spend most of my day looking at data

    if there are 35000 deaths and 65m people , you could say the deaths rate is 35k in 65m (yes I know it’s very crude and would actually depend on things like age / health etc) , this means that approx in 1 in 1900 in this country have died from covid , my original mistake (corrected in 2nd post) was to then multiply this by the 1 in 7 mortality rate (which I had already taken into account)
     
  20. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    it’s all an irrelevance to footballers though, footballers don’t have a 1/1900 chance of dying of Covid do they?

    is it any coincidence that on the first day of testing football clubs they found approximately 1% with the virus, who coincidentally were all asymptomatic? In the prior two+ months between football being suspended and the first round of tests are we to supposed to believe nobody had the virus? Just purely and coincidentally 6 of them on the day they decided to test them all?

    Or is it that in the previous two months they were all regularly getting infected but being young, fit, elite athletes they were all asymptomatic?
     
  21. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    The thing about 1/1900 is it’s an average , if you brake it down using more variables e.g. ethnic origin , gender, age , where you live , how many friends you associate with you would get a better picture

    who is to say that footballers are less likely than 1/1900 , being fit and healthy should reduce , but what factor does Ethnic origin increase probability by , the profesional and lifestyle probably involve meeting a more diverse set of people which may increase chance of catching. As an example a pro footballer could be twice as likely to catch covid (more contact with people) , but 1/2 as likely to be effected (fit and healthy), this would lead to the same chance of dying.

    My original post was tongue in cheek , but I was surprised by the 1/1900
     
  22. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    But if smoking kills 35,000 people a year but no footballers smoke, then none of them are at risk even though it kills 1/1900 of the population?

    Footballers will be tested twice a week, so for the 90 minutes they play they won’t be playing against anyone with Covid.

    So for footballers first of all there is the chance of actually catching Covid (small to non existent, or in the case of Marriappa quite high just sitting at home) and then given the chance of catching it there is the subsequent chance of dying....
     
  23. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    I’m not trying to be argumentative but the above is flawed , smoking isn’t covid and equating it to covid doesn’t help , and anyway what about Roy Castle , never smoked but died of lung cancer.

    You get tested twice a week , but what happens if your team mate catches it 2 hrs after being tested and then passes it on to you before he is tested again, what happens if you are playing against a defender who tested clean on Saturday morning then filled up their car and caught it off somebody in the garage - these are extreme examples but plausible

    if a footballer does catch it they are probably 100 times less likely to die than an 80 year old but that is still a quantifiable risk
     
  24. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I’m sorry but this is gibberish. You are contending that a footballer is just as likely to die from Covid as an average portly 60 year old because he is BAME and meets diverse people? Head in hands.
     
  25. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    What’s Roy Castle got to do with it? He played smoke filled clubs for a living! This forum has made my eyes bleed today.
     
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  26. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    You do know Roy Castle got cancer through constantly sucking cigarette smoke through his trumpet don’t you?
     
  27. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    Sometime I despair , the chances of somebody dying form covid19 are not as simple as are they healthy , they are influence by other factors

    Chance of dying = chance of catching x chance of it being serious

    It is possible that a footballer has a lot less chance of it being serious but a lot higher chance of catching it

    if age / fitness was that big a factor the lockdown would have been limited to fat people over-the age of 50:
     
  28. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    yes I do , It was a response to

    But if smoking kills 35,000 people a year but no footballers smoke, then none of them are at risk
     
  29. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    How do they have a lot higher chance of catching it?
     
  30. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    Age 20-39 mortality is 0.2%. We are all currently in lockdown. What do you mean a footballer has a lot higher chance of catching it?
     
  31. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    I said it is possible , the point is you can not definitively state that a footballer has less chance of dying from covid because they are fit, other factors come into play, they may have a bigger social circle which could increase the risk of catching. Equally I am not stating that they have a higher or lower chance - I don’t know.

    I am assuming you are just baiting me for a laugh , but just in case have highlighted the crucial words above
     
  32. a19tgg

    a19tgg Reservist

    You absolutely can
     
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  33. Ybotcoombes

    Ybotcoombes Reservist

    was assuming nobody could actually be that stupid
     
  34. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Its making less grammar mistake's thats important

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  35. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

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