So What Should Actually Happen - Poll

Really? Felt like standard Bundesliga without the crowd, it's a pretty poor league compared to the EPL.

 

True, at least next season we can get relegated properly

 

Furlough covers £2,000 per months. PL players are on a lot more than that.

If clubs get no income for a year, then it's irrelevant what the contract says. If Watford or Burnley have no money, and there is a contract in place that says the players should get say £80m (or whatever you pay), then the players do not get the money. They can sue all they want, but there's no point sueing to make someone give you water out of an empty bucket. No money in means no money out. Clubs can probably cope with losing a quarter of a season's income, but not a full season.

 

I think it’s pretty crucial that we stay in the PL for next season, there could be a few big clubs going under
in the Championship. The only place to be is in the PL. Need to call it off now whilst we’re above the bottom three!Please!

 

For following seasons that’s likely correct yes. But we are talking about this season right now. And you said players won’t get paid if they don’t play and that’s not true.

 

I did say "for the duration". But yes, most Premier League clubs will be able to pay their players one way or another if they lose up to a quarter of a season's income. If it runs on to next year - which it surely will, if this is a safety issue rather than a fear of relegation issue - than pay will have to be stopped at most clubs unless super rich owners pay up.

 

But no one is really talking about next season? This thread is about this season.

 

How much somebody is paid should never be in the same equation as being away from family during a pandemic

 

100% and you won’t need to look far too see a lot of people hold the same opinion. It’s clear that the things you take for granted in the game, are what have actually made it watchable/enjoyable to most.

 

If you really, really want to do something you make sacrifices. Players are raising genuine concerns around safety, if they are presented with a way of completing safely then that needs to considered. It

No different to an extended pre-season tour away. If players have family issues they should be able to return to their family as long as it’s controlled. The main problem is that rather come up with solutions, people are finding every possible issue, due to relegation concerns.

 

Of course you make sacrifices if needed. But those sacrifices aren’t limitless. These pre-season tours last a week, 2 at most. Not six weeks during a pandemic. Those two scenarios have little in common in reality.

It’s said the BAME people are up to 4 times as likely to suffer with the virus. I’m quite happy to accept the concerns of players who fall in that bracket and believe they are genuine and not just about relegation.

Glenn Murray was quite open about the fact he doesn’t get much game time and is in his final years of his career - admitted that if they go down, he’d likely play more football. So he would possibly stand to gain by being relegated!

Aguero, Rudiger, Sterling, Abraham, Willian - all have voices concerns about returning too quickly. Must be because of relegation?

This isn’t a situation where a positive solution has to be found at all costs. Perhaps the PL are putting the best possible solution available to the clubs/players and it’s still not one that is close enough to be considered unanimously acceptable. That is allowed. This whole line about it being exclusively about relegation is clearly not true - I would even guess it’s not even the main concern. Merely just one of a number.

 

Interesting 77% think the season should end one way or another , 23% think we should continue

I’m in the void camp, hand on heart not sure if it’s because it’s the right thing to do or because I want us to stay in the premier league (just being honest )

im guessing this would be replicated in the bottom half of the table, wonder how the mid table team fans would see it

 

There are many concerns raised by clubs and players alike. I think they are genuine. But at the same time, there is no need to make a decision now. Big Nige was saying - in the Times - that on the last PL call, the end of August was mentioned as an absolute cut-off. I don’t know whether we have that much time, but I don’t see we need to cancel the season yet, and it should at least be given every opportunity to play out. There are a number of obstacles, the virus rate is too high and a 2nd peak would surely kill any chance of this season being played out. The Bundlesgia return looked like a success, but do the games yesterday result in any players being infected? Clearly the player safety concerns will need to be answered in full. I would like the season cancelled as I can’t see a way in which we could get relegated if that happens, but it doesn’t mean it’s what should happen. If full contact training doesn’t start before the 1st June, then the season can’t start until early July otherwise there will be horrendous injuries.

 

I didn’t bother watching the German games yesterday as knew it would be turd from the Champs League games played behind closed doors in March.

Don’t want that here so my opinion is we wait until fans can return or void it.

 

I reckon the 2 who are up for a June restart are dsr and Filbert!

How can 8 vote for the mathematical formula without knowing what it is?

 

If the season restarts there needs to be pre-agreement about what happens if it needs to be curtailed again. That needs to be written in stone. It would be completely unfair for the season to stop at a complete random unknown point and then decisions made about who gets relegated, it’s a big enough farce without it becoming a glorified game of musical chairs.

On the subject of players being away from their family, two things:

1) There are hundreds if not thousands of examples of Nurses, Doctors etc having to move out of their home and not see their family for weeks, even months on end because of the risk of passing the virus in either direction. There was actually one story on BBC news this morning about it, a young nurse had been to move out of the home she shared with her boyfriend because he’s in the at risk category. So while money shouldn’t necessarily be any reason why a footballer should able to not see their family for a few weeks. I’m not sure it’s something that many will sympathise massively with considering some of the sacrifices front line workers are going through at the moment.

2) Although one clearly doesn’t cancel the other out, don’t forget footballers have spent the last 2 months with their family 24/7. Ok, it still doesn’t mean that they should be expected to be away from their family’s for an extended period, but net/net they’ve had a lot longer with them than they would’ve, and again, front line workers have had no such luxury.

 

Whilst the point has merit, it falls down when NHS workers and other frontline health staff are key workers - footballers aren’t.

 

Of course, in the case of nurses they also happen to be paid a fraction of what footballers do. I have no idea about this, but it is it written into nurses contracts that at any given moment, they might have to move out of their family home and not see their partners children and for possibly months?

 

Why?

 

You’ll have to elaborate

 

Why do you want to know about nurse's contracts?

 

I've been busy lobbying the staff at the hospital that it's been my pleasure to attend every feckin' weekday for the past 6 weeks, to realise that they are not anything like as important as they believed themselves to be and that there are those out there whose jobs are vastly more critical to the welfare of the nation.

As a result of my tiresome...sorry, tireless efforts, they agreed to donate all their PPE to the Premier League, so that genuinely key workers, such as physiotherapists, VAR operators (or ****s as I prefer to call them) and Jamie Carragher can carry out their crucial work in safety.

I told them they are all heroes, whilst banging my head on a saucepan and that was good enough for them, some even cried with gratitude. I haven't seen a couple of them for a few days, but I'm sure they're just at home enjoying their furlough money and sitting on their arses surfing Tik Tok.

You can thank me later.

 

Because somebody said ‘but footballers are not key workers’... so I wondered if it’s in their contracts that they might have to move out of their house and not see their families for months on end.

Or is that simply being a ‘key worker’ it’s a given they just have to make whatever sacrifice is necessary, irrespective of whether it’s in their contract or not? But at the same time we must have sympathy for footballers because they’re not key workers so nothing is expected of them?

 

I was going to answer with 'no, yes, no' but then realised you were comparing the job roles of a nurse and a footballer during a pandemic.

 

I’m not comparing their job roles. I’m just not sure sympathy for them being away from their family is that well placed when 1) they’ve been with them 24/7 for over two months, and 2) key workers do it simply because they’re key workers, but they’re only key workers through chance and the fact that the pandemic makes them a key worker. It’s not through a direct choice, it’s been thrust upon them for the first time in 100 years.

 

No, it isn't. Equally, there is nothing in a contract that says they are obliged to work in dangerous environments without adequate PPE. There is a fast-track complaints procedure through the Nursing and Midwifery Council for people to raise such objections if they can be arsed, but I doubt many do, because they probably accept it as a hazard of the job.

 

'I'm not comparing their job roles.'

Goes on to directly compare their job roles by saying footballers don't deserve sympathy because of key workers.

 

So you sympathise with footballers having to be away from their families for a few weeks (when they’ve been with them 24/7 for over two months) more than NHS staff, who seemingly do it routinely?

 

Could it just be that people don’t find the situations comparable?

It’s pretty clear that frontline NHS workers and carers are always key-workers. Always have been. Footballers are not and never have been.

 

Absolute strawman nonsense.

 

It's all about money. If the PL don't complete the number of televised games then they breach their contract and the broadcasters won't pay and that will be £billions

Somehow they will finish this season, maybe in August or September, but they will finish it. They will find a way around player registrations, loans etc.

Next season they may have to abandon the league and FA cups to get all the games inand there will be a lot more mid week games

At the end of the day money will dictate what happens

 

TV companies have literally made no mention of what their plans are.