Relegation watch

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by IRB, Dec 12, 2017.

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Are we going to get relegated?

Poll closed May 24, 2018.
  1. No

    87 vote(s)
    79.8%
  2. Yes

    22 vote(s)
    20.2%
  1. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    The way the press are laying into United and with us still not being safe and our away form, they may as well just rebrand this game as the first game of our Championship campaign next season.
     
  2. vic-rijrode

    vic-rijrode First Year Pro

    League 1 awaits - oh god, not Gillingham away again.
     
  3. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    I don't know how you guys can joke. Tomorrow is the biggest match of the sesson difference between 10th and ummm 15th COYH!
     
  4. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    To be fair, the prize money between 10th and 15th is (likely) more money than we will all earn in our lifetimes combined.
     
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  5. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    Think you'll find we remain 13th whatever happens tomorrow.
     
  6. Hornpete

    Hornpete Squad Player

    I voted with the 20 to increase their numbers and make them feel like they had an argument.
     
  7. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    What if West Ham and Brighton win?
     
  8. Keighley

    Keighley Squad Player

    I will stake my house on us still being 13th at 5pm on Saturday night.
     
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  9. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Oh I think they've had plenty of arguments.
     
  10. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    I don't disagree with you btw :)
     
  11. Pob

    Pob First Year Pro

    Game is on Sunday.
     
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  12. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Yep realised that after my smart arse comment, d'oh!
     
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  13. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Well Swansea going down with a whimper !
     
  14. Looks like 34 points was enough to stay up.

    Why were we all panicking, I wonder?
     
  15. Mollyboo

    Mollyboo First Year Pro

    I really, really hope you did.
     
  16. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    He'd have won if he did.
     
  17. Mollyboo

    Mollyboo First Year Pro

    I know. Do you think I'm some sort of monster?
     
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  18. J.B

    J.B First Team

    So with Swansea relegated on 33 points, that means we have been safe since the 1-0 win against West Brom at the beginning of March. Our superior goal difference means we have probably actually been safe since the 24th February when we beat Everton at home. So that's over two months (and God knows how many pages of this thread) that people have wasted needlessly fretting and bedwetting.

    Hopefully a lesson for the usual suspects, but given it's the same people every season with the same baseless arguments I doubt it somehow.
     
  19. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    It will hardly be the first football forum to have a thread like this, and I suspect every club from Burnley down this season probably had one at some point. It was always very unlikely, but I've no problems with discussion like this personally. Always interesting to hear (and respect) other people's opinions when it comes to football and Watford, no matter how unlikely or far fetched they are.

    So you here in a few months...
     
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  20. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    A thread like this is still interesting even if it doesn't directly affect us because even with the consistently low points totals needed to stay up (on average I believe lower over the last decade than it was the decade before) it's still the most interesting aspect of the Premier League, a damning indictment of just how predictable it is these days (the odd surprise like Leicester or Burnley apart). And obviously it has some bearing on who we'll be playing next season.

    Mixed feelings on Swansea going down, it's a nice if somewhat long away trip, but I don't like their hire-and-fire managerial policy (much more brutal than ours, at least Pozzo would've given managers like Monk, Guidolin and Clement a chance to turn things round) with players who only seem to pull their fingers out when their top flight status is on the line and the new manager effect hasn't worn off, and at least we have another Welsh side taking their place, with Colin to make things entertaining.
     
  21. 33 is presumably one of the lowest 3rd bottom totals ? Until we reach 40 points each season there will always be a chance we can go down as history shows. Fortunately we've had 3 great starts as its unusual to end 3 times between 40-45 points never having been in the bottom 3. Will be interesting to see what happens this summer which will influence how confident we feel in August.
     
  22. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    At least Swansea won a cup and had a European tour before they dropped unlike west brom who actually have little to show for the past 10 years. I really hope we win a trophy soon
     
  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Here's the previous years:

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    33pts for 18th is the second lowest ever but it has now happened 5 times. 40pts is now clearly a significant overestimate of the average safety margin. The 5 year average is under 35pts now.
     
  24. LondonOrn

    LondonOrn Reservist

    That's because with the odd exception, the gap between the top 6 and the rest is much greater than it was before. So the bottom teams are taking fewer points off the top teams and so fewer points are needed to stay up. Quite unlike the Championship, where just about everyone can beat everyone and teams frequently go down with 50 points or more. As happy as I am still to be up here, it's that competitiveness I miss most about that division - even our worst second tier teams never went on a run anything as bad as one measly point and two goals in 12 away games.
     
  25. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Good point, in the past there was a top 2 - Arsenal / united, increased to 3 with Chelsea, then City but now Tottenham and Liverpool have been added to the breakaway group.

    Sure Arsenal and Chelsea dropped points but it can't have been as many as the 5/6th placed teams in the 90s/early 00s
     
  26. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    It’s also because the promoted teams are more competitive now and there are less banker points for the established lower mid table prem teams. The relegation scrap is more and more conjested year on year.
     
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  27. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    So looking back with a huge dose of hindsight we were basically safe by the end of Feb, totally safe at the start of March.
     
  28. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Did we stay up?
     
  29. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    I'm voting 'yes' because as far as I can see we have no more fixtures until August,so the other teams could catch us.
     
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  30. Otter

    Otter Gambling industry insider

    Someone else may know the answer
     
  31. lancyclaret

    lancyclaret Academy Graduate

    Safe after the 0-0 at Huddersfield on Dec 30.
     
  32. I see you are one of the relegation favourites for next season (3/1 with skybet, we are 2/1)
     
  33. Easy money, bookies giving it away
     
  34. Hogg-DEENEY!!!

    Hogg-DEENEY!!! Reservist

    How do you feel about the coming season? From outside it looks as if it will be difficult to sustain the kind of form you showed this season, plus dealing with Europe is a whole different challenge. Don't see you actually getting relegated unless something drastic happens though tbf
     
  35. Chumlax

    Chumlax Reservist

    I imagine they probably feel generally annoyed at still being pegged for relegation candidates by bookies and, presumably, pundits, after a second consecutive season in the Prem where they finished in the European places. Kind of like us, except without the Europe thing.
     

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