Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by Deeney's Elbow, Jan 11, 2019.


Who is the least worst premier league ref? ie: vote who you think is best

Poll closed Mar 15, 2019.
  1. A Taylor

  2. M Atkinson

  3. M Oliver

  4. M Dean

  5. K Friend

  6. A Marriner

  7. J Moss

  8. C Pawson

  9. C Kavangh

  10. P Tierney

  11. L Mason

  12. S Attwell

  13. L Probert

  14. G Scott

    0 vote(s)
  15. D Coote

    0 vote(s)
  16. R East

  17. S Hooper

    0 vote(s)
  18. R East

    0 vote(s)
  19. A Madley

Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Uriah Rennie
  2. folkestone orn

    folkestone orn Reservist

  3. Deeney's Elbow

    Deeney's Elbow Academy Graduate

    just seen that useless tool Scott is reffing us again next week vs Liverpool.WTF, does he ask to get our games,so he can get his **** wet.How can 1 ref get such a monopoly on our games.absolute disgrace @FA
  4. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    I’m quickly coming to the conclusion that there is no referee that anyone is ever happy with.
  5. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

  6. That is just unbelievably shocking refereeing. I'm assuming Kilmarnock will appeal and submit the video clip as evidence - and would like to think that Kamara will get a lengthy ban for cheating.
  7. goldpapaya

    goldpapaya Academy Graduate

    He deliberately elbowed him in the face. Red card correct.
  8. Not in the video I watched.
  9. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    If it was a red, why was it not also a penalty?
  10. goldpapaya

    goldpapaya Academy Graduate

    Because the incident took place before the corner was taken.
  11. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Ball was out of play.
  12. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    There seems to to be a more damming clip of him elbowing the Rangers chap but all videos can show different things..
  13. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

  14. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Just watched Ref Watch. They reviewed the Bournemouth v Wolves match where there were 3 penalties awarded. Hey presto the Wolves penalty was valid but surprise, surprise neither Bournemouth penalties should have been awarded. I don't know how they consistently keep getting those decisions. It's just ridiculous, but they are going to suffer massively next season when VAR reveals the truth with all their diving. Palace will suffer a lot too for the same reason.
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  15. FromDiv4

    FromDiv4 Reservist

    It will not have a bad impact on us though. Even Burnley have more penalties than us.
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  16. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Anyone that says cheats do not prosper, should look at this table.

    All the cheats are at the top. Not talking about United so much, but Palace (Zaha), Leicester (Vardy) and Bournemouth (all their players) cheat and get rewarded.

    No surprise to see us at the bottom though. Even below Burnley who haven't had a penalty since 1967.
  17. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Ref Watch is less inconsistent but Dermot Gallagher can still get it wrong 72hrs after the game and with all the replays and angles available.

    He has said Hooper got the Janmaat non-decision wrong. On that basis, I think he is correct. But he has said it was a penalty - and I’m normally less keen that others to blame officials for things - but the contact was outside the box. Difficult to spot and I think every ref who gives that as a foul would give a penalty due the angle and the way it played out in real time.

    But ‘Ref Watch’ is surely a segment designed to redefine incidents according to the actual rules. In this case, Gallagher gets it wrong too from what I can see.
  18. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    This table can't be right. Deeney's scored more than one goal this season.
  19. Oh I don't know - we're currently not getting penalties because of referee bias. Next season we won't get them because of VAR bias...;)
  20. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Mike Dean was going to be the 4th official for the Spurs v Chelsea game - it will come as no surprise to hear now he isn't!
  21. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

  22. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

  23. ST1968

    ST1968 Academy Graduate

    who the hell voted for Moss. Not after today's woefully inconsistent display. How that elbow to GD's head or the foul on TD in the lead up to their goal weren't called as fouls I have no idea.

    I see people barrack the refs too often and think "but the ref was clearly correct". Not today.
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  24. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    Moss is the worst of the lot. He was truly woeful yesterday.
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  25. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    The best Premier League referees (IMO) are: Martin Atkinson, Paul Tierney, Chris Kavangh, Craig Pawson and Andre Mariner. These guys are very good officials and are miles ahead of the rest.

    But the FA don't see it that way. They give Jon Moss the Carabao Cup final. Anthony Taylor has also been given very high profile matches such as United v City, City v Liverpool & Spurs v Arsenal.

    These guys are very poor. Lee Mason, Lee Probert & Michael Oliver make up the other poor referees.

    The rest range from average to sub-standard. Simon Hooper, Graham Scott, Kevin Friend, Anthony Madley and Roger East are all sub-standard. Average referees are Atwell and Coote. Mike Dean is just a showman who wants to make it all about him, but is still a decent referee.
  26. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    I think this weekend was an all time low for officials.

    Here's Dermott Gallagher's take on this weekend's decisions.

    Arsenal v United. Jon Moss. Penalty given. DG verdict. Wrong decision.

    Newcastle v Everton. Lee Mason. Penalty given, which was the correct decision but they were talking about the subsequent punishment. No card given. DG verdict. No defence whatsoever not to send Pickford off. Wrong decision. Kurt Zouma challenge on a Newcastle player, which was two-footed. Referee didn't even give a free-kick. DG verdict. Should have been a red card. Wrong decision. Winning goal from Rondon, with 5 players in an offside position. For some reason they didn't show this one, but clearly it was yet another wrong decision from Lee Mason.

    Liverpool v Burnley. Martin Atkinson. Corner from Burnley goes directly in. Goal awarded. DG Verdict. Allison was fouled and goal should have been disallowed. Wrong decision.

    Manchester City v Watford. Paul Tierney. Sterling first goal flagged offside, but overruled and goal given. DG verdict. It was a clear offside and should have been disallowed. Wrong decision.

    Palace v Brighton. Craig Pawson Penalty awarded after Townsend dives. DG verdict....he actually thought this was a correct decision even though it was a clear dive and it was engineered by the attacker. They also reviewed the Knockaert tackle. For some reason DG thought it was ok, but I think this is a case of trying to balance it out. When you think back at the Capoue tackle when he slipped and DG said a red card was the right call. No way can he justify studs high into an opponents groin as not a red card. The two pundits alongside DG both said it should have been a red card. Wrong decision.

    Southampton v Spurs. Kevin Friend Armstrong-Peters tripped when through on goal. Only a yellow card given. DG verdict: Correct decision, although he did allude that it was a 50/50 call. Something that could easily have gone the other way. Sissoko was only yellow carded for raking his studs down an opponent's leg, then leading with head in a following exchange. Yellow card was given. DG verdict. You cannot condone that. Clear red card. Wrong decision.
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  27. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Conspiracy theorists could be forgiven for thinking this is all a plot to ease acceptance of VAR
  28. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    The things is, I can accept all those bad decisions over the weekend are mistakes made by incompetent buffoons, but what Tierney did was something else.

    He made a deliberate decision to overrule his own linesman. He made a vanity call, based solely on his own ego. He gambled that it would make himself look brilliant by making such an incredible decision. It's something Michael Oliver was doing regularly early on his career when climbing up the ladder. Making big contentious decisions just to prove he was not afraid to make a big call. Whether it's right or not is largely immaterial, he just wanted to show he's not afraid of making a big decision.

    Before Saturday, I rated Tierney highly. I didn't think he was like that, but it appears they all have this tendency to allow ego to take over. Had he gone with his linesman and it wasn't offside, then he would not have taken any of the blame. There would have been a lot of sympathy towards the ref who gave a decision when his linesman flagged. I don't think anyone would directly blame the referee in that situation. So why did he put himself at such risk of criticism? I think it's because he wanted to stand out as being an exceptional official who made an incredibly good technical decision and that overrode the risk factor for him.

    However, had it been the other way around and it was Watford that scored the goal, I feel he would never have taken the risk of being controversial and would have gone with his linesman, because the risk to reward factor would have been against him. The media would have destroyed him had he let Watford score a goal which may have effected the end result and changed the direction of the title.

    This is why Watford lose out so often. We are regarded as a club where you can give contentious decisions against without too much peril. The general feeling is, oh it's only Watford, they always lose this type of match, and to a degree, that's right. Apart from Watford supporters, who really cares? It's the balance of focus that gives a referee the confidence to make such a contentious decision, as he knows if he makes a decision against a club like Watford and is wrong, the damage to his reputation would not be too long lasting.
    Last edited: Mar 11, 2019
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  29. Irishorn

    Irishorn Gael Force

    As bad as that decision was, it still doesn't beat this one for utter incompetence.

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  30. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    I agree with every word of your first three paragraphs but I'm not sure about the size of the club being a determining factor behind these refereeing blunders - after all, as you highlight in your earlier post, plenty of the 'big' clubs were victims of bungling officials this weekend
  31. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Oh my word, the years have not made that look any better, have they. I mean, dodgy goals, offside goals, goals where there should have been a foul given before it was scored.... none are as bad as a goal just awarded for no reason whatsoever!
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  32. wfc4ever

    wfc4ever First Team Captain

    Mr Tierney's punishment is to be 4th official at not one but TWO games over the weekend - at West Ham and Fulham.

    Maybe the misses wants him out the house?

    Hopefully he won't be giving too much advice...
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  33. Burnsy

    Burnsy Squad Player

    Silva charged with improper conduct by the FA.

  34. Deeney's Elbow

    Deeney's Elbow Academy Graduate

    Well.. another game & another fixture G Scott involved with (4th official). How can one man officiate so many games for one club in a season. Must be a record? Surely he is asking to get our games so he can meet his bit on the side?
  35. Deeney's Elbow

    Deeney's Elbow Academy Graduate

    well who could have guessed it...Mr Scott is involved with another one of our games this weekend as VAR. At least he isn't on the pitch, but I am genuinely gobsmacked as to how he can be involved with so many of our games. Clearly some collusion from him to have it away before or after the game!

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