Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by hornetboy1, May 24, 2015.
I thought it was quite timely.
Thank you Quique for throwing away the last month of our season with passive aggressive management based on a personal issue with Gino Pozzo
And someone on this forum summed it up for me when they said that pundits don't have a clue what they are talking about.
Ironic that most are saying Martinez had to go, but getting rid of Quique is stupid. Sums them up perfectly I think.They seem to have almost as low opinion of this club and its aspirations as some of our fans.
I understand why the club have taken this decision - I hope it will be proved to be the right one. Thanks Quique, you have formed the bedrock for what we always wanted - a Premier League team who didn't just go straight back down. Now it will be for someone else to build upon that foundation.
He was most likely baffled because he can't see a problem with passing the ball sideways and backwards. The more central midfielders the better
You forgot your football maths
Everton > Watford
In football, as in life, if you are not moving forwards then you are either stalling or going backwards.
With Quique at the helm we would have only kept on going backwards next season.
He has done the job he was brought in to do, and was no doubt paid handsomely for it, but the future is a different place.
Our owners no doubt anticipated this scenario when inserting the mutually agreed upon one-year break clause into Quique's contract.
The difference beween opinions on here and that sh*t enjoooooythegame page is quite funny.
QSF has a lot more support on that page than here
Its because they are all competing to be the contrarian 'sensible one' who lords it over the disloyal boo boys. If we start poorly next season they'll all pipe up about how right they were and if not they'll keep quiet and no one will care/remember
In reality they simply have the luxury of faux mourning his loss once the difficult, nasty decision has already been made for them. They can now safely virtue signal without actually having to worry about Flores being here next year
That's all pretty fair and sensible on there.
Is it unbelievable though? we're a small unfashionable club. No one other than watford fans will have followed our season any more closely than glancing at the league table, which says we have been midtable for much of the season - a remarkable achievement for a club like ours.
Add to this the fact we are owned by shadowy foreigners with a questionable business model then the reaction is perfectly understandable.
The difference between Everton and Watford is completely different. Everton have been an established premiership club and the owners are expecting some progress. Watford on the other hand came up from the Championship hoping to stay up.
That is an assumption. We will see what a new manager (or managers) next season can do.
I'm still gutted.
An assumption based on evidence of what we've seen since Christmas.
Thanks Quique, although the bonus you've quite rightly earned will mean more than any thanks of a lowly supporter you'll ever receive.
Good luck in your future endeavours.
Agree with is. Whatever the rights or wrongs, I am grateful for Quique for keeping us up with something to spare even though we were relegation favourites and giving us some incredible moments (Liverpool and west ham at home, arsenal away spring to mind). Sad to see him go, but I trust the Pozzos to get it right.
Thank you Quique. The break clause you insisted on was invaluable.
I didnt realise that benfica fans reported the same misgivings as the valencia lot, and now us.
This sounds familiar:
"I actually think this is a logic step for Watford. From what I have read, he shows the exact same problems he showed at Benfica 7/8 years ago, when he was our manager for a season.
He's very limited in terms of tactical adaptation, and his playing philosophy is extremely dependent of the creativity and individual talent of his players, wingers in particular. So if offensive players aren't performing particularly well, there's no connection between midfield and the attackers and the team's football can get really poor.
Honestly, he looked so poor as a manager at Benfica that I was quite shocked how he got the job with Atletico after we released him, and shocked again when he went from virtually disappearing from football for a few years (coached in the Arabias for 3 seasons, then coached Getafe for a month in 2015) to being the manager of a Premier League club."
But I'll still be clapping him like a demented seal on sunday. He deserves that at least.
Hopefully that doesn't mean we will lose Jurado and Suraez as well
Thanks Quique, in your immensely successful but short stay with us you've done more for this club than some, but thankfully a minority, of our fans will ever realise and always with great dignity and respect. You're written into the club's history now, and in a golden period at our club, nothing can change that, best of luck wherever you go to now.
Like I say, some fans have a very low opinion of our clubs aspirations. Almost as if they think we are not entitled to have them.
As a fan, I fullly commend the unrestricted aspirations of our owners, and wonder why it frightens so many of our fans to the point where they become the greatest detractors of what we want to achieve.
Great post :sign15:
Hopefully it does.
I think the 'pundits' criticism can be countered by considering Tim Sherwood's time in charge of Aston Villa. He came in when they needed keeping up and did that, mainly due to the bounce experienced from a new manager coming in. He even took them to an FA cup final. However, they stayed up by the skin of their teeth and only because there were three worse teams than them. The fundamentals behind that club meant relegation was inevitable this year after a poor start.
While they have been a club in decline for the past 4 years or so, this is an example of how a long cup run and staying up one season does not guarantee safety the next season if there are fundamental concerns about the leadership/club. We are almost acting ahead of time, getting in a potentially better manager with a full pre season and players to work with, and avoiding losing time if we do slump at the start of next season.
It is also telling that quite a lot of Watford fans (who actually watch the games beyond MOTD highlights) can understand why this decision has been made, but those who are not Watford fans think this decision is 'ridiculous'. Ignore the criticism, and take advantage of the relegation odds for next season
I'm berry berry sad but also berry happy
I think it can be more succinctly countered by pointing out that all pundits are cretinous terds.
You must be one of those posters who 'know people at the club'
Speak up mate.
Shut up, mate.
Wow a journalist that knows what there talking about and from the Mirror as well. Whatever next.....
Blimey. I've seen it all now.
Good read. Thanks for posting
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