Pozzos out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by wfcmoog, Nov 3, 2019.

  1. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    I do actually get your point. They are not perfect and all the veiled silence around everything does my nut in sometimes. However, nothing is perfect. We had BBB previously and what a disaster that was. Most owners we have, have limited resources and have to run the football club as a business. That will always put limitations on a club like Watford. We do not have the fanbase to sustain a Premier League club, unless you have someone who is so loaded that they don't care about losing money. Most owners want to make money or at least create some sort of improved revenue stream. Getting to the Premier League creates this.

    But as we've seen, it's so hard to get to the Premier League and stay there. It's a miracle that a club like Watford has been able to achieve this. Burnley and Bournemouth too. All three clubs should not be in the EPL by rights, but they are because of good ownership. Look at Leeds, Forest etc. The list is extremely long for clubs in the Championship and below who would place their clubs above Watford in the pecking order for Premier League football.

    It does look like we've now hit the buffers, but it was a good run and I believe even if we do go down this year, the Pozzo's would get us back up within 3 years again.

    I would also like a one club owner who loves Watford and the only motivation is the success of the first team, just for the joy of seeing them win. Unfortunately these people don't really exist. The next best thing is what we have. Maybe their motivation is not all geared for making Watford a brilliant because they love the team, but does it really matter what the motivation is, as long as we're successful?

    Being bottom of the Premier League is still successful. We are still in a league many thought would be impossible to ever be in again just 7 years ago.

    Put it this way, if I found out the Pozzo's would wanted to sell after relegation, my heart would sink, as I suspect we'd get a useless joker with big promises and no idea taking their place.
     
  2. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    What makes you so sure about that, I'm not so sure next time as people will have more idea of what we're about. I'm actually more concerned about us doing a Sunderland, Stoke, Bradford, Portsmouth (delete as appropriate). We were lucky not to do that last time we got relegated.
     
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  3. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    I thought your previous post was a good one; but I do wish people would stop dropping heavy-handed political jibes into a football forum. For the record I am a convinced Brexiteer and going back to the fifties is absolutely not the reason - it would be one of the last things I would want to do. Quite the opposite in fact, it is seen as a step forward into the future. You misinterpret the situation, as do many Remainers.
     
  4. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    Already this season is far more enjoyable than the last 3 in this league. I wonder how big the queue for season tickets will be in April?
     
  5. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    Just my belief based on what they have done in the past. Not only with Watford but other clubs. Even though they've made a pig's ear of it this season, they are expects in running football clubs. I think their credentials are quite incredible.
     
  6. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I'm sure we all remember the promotion season in The Championship and probably fondly remember Zola's season except the play off final but those that would be happy to go back to The Championship, do you remember a lot of the other seasons when the football was terrible, quite often struggling in the bottom half. If we go down there is no guarantee of a season full of wins and loads of goals. You only have to look at the likes of Stoke or Huddersfield to show that's not always the case. It's a great league if you're going for promotion, like any league to be honest, but sometimes the reality is far from what some may think will happen. Give me the Premier League any day
     
  7. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever WFC Forums Last Man Standing Winner 2018/2019

    We'll be American, Asian or Uncle Bas owned. Can't wait.

    Edit. Valley Grown Salads van seen in the car park.
     
  8. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    My post could have had the word 'some' before Brexiteers, I grant you. Otherwise though it was simply intended as a topical analogy aimed at moog specifically, who I knew would get the point without needing to debate the politics. Apologies if it offended.
     
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  9. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Half of the league are going for promotion due to the play off system.
    Stoke are a bit of an exception but it will be good to have the possibility at the start of the season of promotion or relegation rather than just constantly looking over our shoulders to see how big the gap to 3rd bottom is and hoping we can scrape 11 wins from 38 games just to survive.
     
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  10. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    The best owners can make mistakes. Even Elton did (see Dave Bassett). Things do seem to be unraveling a bit, but I can't believe any Watford fan feels anything but great warmth towards the Pozzos. Duxbury and Giraldi are a different matter
     
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  11. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Without Mr Pozzo and his son it would be extremely unlikely we would be as well off as we actually are, let’s not forget that!
     
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  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Duxbury goes hand in glove with Gino to be fair. Not sure I'm that fussed by him, as although his talk is cheap, he has generally delivered a nicer stadium and I'm sure advised Gino of the merits of recognising GT etc.

    Giraldi though seems to hold all the football cards and, given that's the reason we all go to games, he's the one I'd say is or should be in the fans' firing line.
     
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  13. Aberdeen

    Aberdeen Academy Graduate

    I think we can get too obsessed about the Premiership. While we are in it I want us to do as well as we can. If Leicester can win it then anyone can. I look for us to do as well as we can each season whatever division we are in and I have supported the Horns in every division. If you are in the Premiership you expect less good results but to see better players not only for us but in the other teams too. Relegation is as much part of football following as is promotion. If we are relegated I want us to get back up - not to think that I would like us to constantly miss out because the Premiership is too difficult. There are different challenges and expectations whatever league you are in.
     
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  14. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Fair enough. Although, personally, I think there's something quite irritating about Duxbury so he's staying on my 'sh 1t list'
     
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  15. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Just Stoke? Huddersfield, Sunderland, QPR, Hull City, Cardiff, Middlesboro, and more, The top 2 currently haven't been in the Premier League for years and one of them never has in fact
     
  16. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Not sure what you're point is ? Did you think I was suggesting we'd be nailed on for promotion ? My point was that most teams relegated then can be genuinely open to relegation or promotion so the future becomes a lot more exciting. Yes Stoke and Boro are struggling, but WBA, Swansea and fulham are pushing for promotion/playoffs, cardiff and Hull are midtable etc....
     
  17. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Rather than being a Premier League club who will always have 1 hand tied behind its back in competing with the rest, due to our size, we'd go back to being a Championship club who will always have 1 hand tied behind its back in competing with the rest, due to our size. Have you really forgotten the days of when Adam Le Fondue was a dream signing that was slightly out of reach because he'd end up at supposed "bigger" Championship clubs like Reading and Cardiff?!

    Large Championship clubs with more "regular" owners, such as Stoke, Derby, Middlesbrough, Birmingham and Blackburn, have been languishing back down there for a while now with little in the way of hope and glory, despite their "lofty aims" of gaining promotion.
     
  18. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I'd love the excitement of being linked with, but missing out on a Le Fondre, than landing our chosen free transfer from a lower La Liga side who is involved in preseason, but then loaned out to Belgium.
     
  19. StuBoy

    StuBoy Forum Cad and Bounder

    I agree with this, Duxbury has gone far down in my estimations after his delusions of grandeur last season. Appearing on the radio with all his comments about us pushing for the top 7 etc etc.. I'm all for ambition at the club, but be careful what you say and wish for. Duxbury comes across a bit as an engage mouth before brain kind of fella.

    Maybe I'm being overly harsh, but just how I feel on the matter.
     
  20. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    So you would rather be fighting relegation in The Championship than mid table in The Premier League? I get that you are saying it's exciting as there are more positions to aim for but bottom half of The Championship is not where we want to be just for a bit of excitement surely
     
  21. leighton buzzard horn

    leighton buzzard horn Squad Player

    100%. I won't claim to be in the majority with that but I'm certainly not alone. "The premier league is the place to be" is generally peddled by the clubs and Sky.
     
  22. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    No the other way round.
    I'd rather be mid table in the championship with the chance of pushing for a play off place or risk of slipping towards the bottom 3 rather than just aiming for 40 points every season in the prem.
     
  23. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    But I think that's a false equivalence, as the aim isn't to do that anymore. It's not the stated aim of the club hierarchy and I think the fans expect more too.
     
  24. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Hahahaha....
    You seriously think that they genuinely want to spend the money to become "the best of the rest" ? Do you really think us fans would be happy if they said that the aim was to just survive each season ? Do you think they'd be as attractive to potential signings ? Look at their strategy for Udinese....
    Even if their genuine target was to finish 7th, do you think that's achieveable given how we'd be outspent year after year ? I guess that was their target for this season....how are they getting on ? ;)
     
  25. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    But now you're presenting life for us in the PL as a choice between aiming for 7th or just doing the minimum to survive, which is far too binary. I've certainly never said anything about us finishing 7th, so I don't 'seriously think' any of those things.

    If you care to, read what I said again:

    I said the stated aim wasn't getting to 40pts. Because it isn't.
    And I said fan expectations are higher than that now. Because they are.

    Despite the happy happy super ambitious (aka for non-fan consumption only) narrative presented by Duxbury, I think the aim is probably to finish top half. It has been since Silva was appointed. We can all argue to what extent they've made good decision or bad decisions on the path to that - and frankly, a lot look bad at the moment - but I think that is about what they're targeting.

    People can say midtable PL is boring. It is. Though it also provides a platform to go further in the cups - something we've done twice in four PL seasons so far but would have little real chance of under Pozzo in the Championship. And ultimately it's no different to the Championship, in that after spending a few years there everyone becomes boringly familiar. Christ, there was point it felt like we played Reading and Ipswich about 4 times a year. Zzzzzzzz.

    If you want to chop it all in for the fairy tale of some sort of swashbuckling, "will we, won't we?", boys' own Championship adventure that's up to you I guess. It makes no sense to me.
     
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  26. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Absolutely. 4o points is pure fantasy. We are now just aiming to beat Derby's record low.
     
  27. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    I wish we weren't taking it quite so seriously though!
     
  28. Chumlax

    Chumlax Reservist

    You'd rather enjoy watching small clubs beat bigger ones on Match of the Day than have your own team play at the highest, most visible level of competition available to it, with all the level of play, players and spectacle that that entails?!
     
  29. Chumlax

    Chumlax Reservist

    I think it's more about those Remainers being aware of what that 'step forward into the future' would actually entail, rather than any 'misinterpretation' :confused:
     
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  30. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    I don't think mid table would have ever been any thing other than an occasional unexpected peak as last year was.
    As the dearly departed Rookerydad used to say, if your player budget is 3rd bottom, that's where you should set your expectations.
    How can you say the championship becomes boringly familar ? 6 new teams to play every season and "the top 6" not set in stone as it is in the prem, plus the top half have the playoffs to go for until very close to the end of the season. Every season in the prem we are just one of about 8-10 teams that might go down and this time it looks like our number is up.
     
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  31. AndrewH63

    AndrewH63 Reservist

    I see the watford supporter who used to run McDonalds is leaving the company. If he became part of a consortium (and defacto chief executive) to buy the club (it will be cheaper after relegation) would his priority be improving the side be the defence and strikers or the drinks and salads.
     
  32. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    It's another one of the upsides. I've explained above why just surviving in the prem for as many seasons as we can before we get relegated, and getting beaten most weeks isn't much fun other than the odd scalp here and there. Yes there has been the odd great win but think of the months of **** under QSF first time, the collapse under Mazz, the Silva debacle, the collapse last season, this season so far.....what's the point ? We're not going to win anything are we, ever ?
    Let's get an independent view - Nath, how much of the past 4.25 seasons have been enjoyable :) ??
     
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  33. Chumlax

    Chumlax Reservist

    I sort of see your point, but throughout everyone of those periods I've enjoyed the far greater visibility and, yes, 'relevance' we've had, as well as the players we've been able to watch turn out for us who we would never be able to see in the Championship. I've enjoyed seeing Guardiola and Klopp and Jose have to come to the Vic and play against our little old Watford, and I think getting beaten most weeks is quite an over-exaggeration of what our Prem experience has been like (present season currently excluded).

    I've also enjoyed the enormous improvement in the ground itself, something I'm fairly sure we wouldn't have been able to achieve in the same way had we never been promoted at all. Winning something is not necessarily the absolute prime for me, other than individual matches, as it's so ludicrously unlikely given the complexion of the game in this country today, but at the same time that chance certainly isn't going to go up if we go down a division and suddenly find ourselves with far less money and far worse players (even if that might seem hard to envisage at this precise moment given our current rotters' recent performances ;)). We aren't going to be winning anything in the division below either, unless by some miracle it's the Championship title, which is hardly a prestigious 'trophy' in itself and we are probably eternally cursed to be unable to manage given our last attempt. That's on top of the fact that, as we've discussed here at length, indeed, there's no guarantee we'd even be being particularly successful down there, let alone coming back up.

    Frankly, I like it here. I don't want to go. Shame it's out of my hands, eh.
     
  34. Chumlax

    Chumlax Reservist

  35. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    I enjoyed getting here and I expect I'd enjoy getting here again if it happened.
    But I've not enjoyed being belittled on MoTD, hammered by the big boys (usually), the pain of defeat after defeat, the forum bikering about who's fault it is that we can't finish 7th or run Citeh close in the final.
    Ultimately you get to the conclusion that football is pointless. Winning promotion only gets you to a tougher place where you're more likely to lose. Relegation takes you to a place where you're more likely to win. Win and we all go home with a smile on our face, whether it's beating Leicester in the prem or Rochdale in Div 1.
    Of course when push comes to shove I'll be desperate for us to win until any hope is gone this season but I just won't consider it's the end of the world when we go down....
     
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