Pozzos out

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by wfcmoog, Nov 3, 2019.

  1. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I pray they can find a buyer and get out of our club.

    I am forever grateful for their work in the early years of their tenure, but it's been sour for me, for some time now.

    Their priorities are not to make our club as successful as it can be, but to use it as a staging post for their global footballer trafficking operation.

    Other clubs make bad signings, but they are always due to a mistake of judgement, rather than because the owners wanted to sign a player for reasons other than improving their team. We are the only side whose owners sign players not intended to play for us, who often end up doing so.
     
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  2. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    I’m happy for them to continue in the Championship despite recent incompetence. They have enough credit in the bank. If they aren’t interested after such a setback then best a sale is completed as soon as possible. It’s in their hands.
     
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  3. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Things are obviously not great now, far from it.

    But I expect anyone outside of the prem and top half of EFL would bite their hands off to have the Pozzo’s as owners.

    who would you want as our owners? Realistically? Unless some massive Russian or Saudi Arabian person comes in and chucks billions at us what do you think we will get?

    Clearly they’ve made a big mistake in not improving our squad this year in key areas, but does that mean we need a whole new ownership?!?

    i know you will slap me down for thinking we are little old Watford, but I think they are committed to making us a success in the long term.

    i guess we all have our different views.
     
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  4. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I won't slap you down. I just hate our owners.
     
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  5. Davidmsawyer

    Davidmsawyer Statto Statto Statto

    Obviously you couldn’t anyway cos I’m like really hard and all that ;)
     
  6. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose Reservist

    Becareful though, some owners are bad news. Look at Bury and Bolton. We have been on the verge of administration once, and IF wd do get a change at the top, lets hope the candidates are properly screened.
     
  7. Carpster

    Carpster Reservist

    Hopefully Baz is still looking for a club. Bring some stability to the club.
     
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  8. EB Hornet

    EB Hornet Reservist

    I think nearly everyone at the club made a big mistake this summer, but I think the pozzos care enough and have certainly put in enough in terms of effort, drive and of course money to be credited with the opportunity to make it right. I pretty much just missed out on the Elton John era, so for me these are the best owners I’ve known us have.
     
  9. NemoNemo

    NemoNemo First Year Pro

    It’s the recruitment startegy that I hate I always have. The lukebakio sage was the icing on the cake for me. How could they have thought selling him for £20 million then going out and buying the same style player, who I believe isn’t as good and was playing in an inferior league, for double the price??? Not to mention the treatment of Bachman and the not signing players to improve the team but because they are a ‘good deal’ and turn a profit.
     
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  10. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Sounds l.ike you need an 'adjustment'.

    When you free to meet at the pub? I'll get you a cab to the hospital afterwards.

    Saves you a walk.
     
  11. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Kelso?
     
  12. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    What’s the treatment of Bachmann though? A classic third choice PL goalkeeper who made 0 appearances for Stoke in 3 years before signing for us and making 0 appearances in the next 2 years. I’d be worried if he ever made his debut - mainly because it’d break the pattern of his career to date.
     
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  13. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina First Team

    He has a good loan spell and deserved either to be number 2 or sorted with another spell. The contract extension of Gomes as number 2 was absurd behaviour by the club considering we already have a veteran number 1.

    The development plan for Dahlberg is even more odd than the Bachman situation in my view.
     
  14. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Gomes extension was ludicrous and Dahlberg I’ll grant you. But Bachmann is here because he qualifies as home grown and all PL teams seem to keep a 3rd choice GK on the books. If he wants to be an actual footballer I suppose he knows where the door is.
     
  15. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Seems to me like they don't know what to do when they finally have money. They got us promoted without spending lots, primarily by sending us players already on their books. They then kept us up with some very shrewd purchases as they knew they couldn't compete with other Premier League teams' budgets.

    The irony is that after we'd reaped the TV money benefits from being in the Premier League for four seasons, they decided to waste all summer doubling their transfer record on a Watford galactico who looks **** scared every time he goes on the pitch, and an ex England international crock.

    These two signings are so far away from their blueprint of penny pinching, lower risk signings you can't help wondering if they just didn't know what to do with the money. They spent about three times on Sarr what they did on Deulofeu, who the **** decided that was good value for money? And yes, I'm sure someone will be along in a minute to point out he's young/can't speak English/in a new league/was at the Afcon champs but the simple fact is we have blown our entire transfer budget on a guy who, after almost a third of a desperate season, has given us 167 minutes of rabbit-in-the-headlights football. Our other exciting signing hadn't started a game for almost a year, managed 210 minutes for us and now we probably won't see him again for the rest of the season. On the flip side, at least our bargain basement centre back is playing better and we have an 18 year old Brazilian coming in January to save our season...
     
  16. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Re Sarr:- he's young/can't speak English/in a new league/was at the Afcon champs
     
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  17. hornetboy1

    hornetboy1 First Team

    I could never turn on the owners. My club, our club, was heading for football obscurity before they bought the club.

    They've turned us around, FA Cup final, semi finals, major improvement in the stadium and until this season a steady improvement year on year.

    Not sure why it's gone quite so wrong this season. It's like someone else has made the big decisions this year and has basically got everyone of them wrong.

    Ridiculous overspend on a player who is nowhere near Premier League level. A failure to identify how badly our defence needed upgrading. Re-appointment of a failed coach.

    You still have to give them credit for holding on to star players and the signing of Welbeck, even though he's a crock he was well worth the punt.

    We will probably get relegated this season. It would be a major surprise to me if we didn't, and you have to blame the people at the top for it...….but, they put us in the Premier League in the first place.

    You have to understand, there are not a queue of wealthy Watford supporters out there. The best we can ever hope for is for a football savvy football businessman to come in and transform the club. This is exactly what we've got. I don't think we could ever get any better.

    If we do go down, I'd back the Pozzo's to have us promoted within 3 years again. Even now, even though I think we're gone this season, it wouldn't surprise me if the Pozzo's have a trick up their sleeve which will sort out the mess we're in.
     
  18. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    How about that super rich English bloke that bought Nice in France this year. He already tested the water by buying a Swiss team I think, admitting he knew very little of the football business. Maybe he would pass the fit and proper test with money burning a hole in his pocket.

    I can’t see Gino going anywhere soon he’s invested in this and is nowhere near reached his goals ( 30k stadium top 7 finish). Until then I think he will stay as then the profits on selling would be way more prosperous.

    And another thing is it’s Geraldi that needs sacking and reids given his job with moog as his wing man



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  19. foxywfc

    foxywfc Reservist

    Gomes has been kept as some sort of foreign advisor so the likes of Pedro have a sensible head to turn to. Maybe he got in his contract to be cup goalkeeper or something. Harsh on dahlburg and Bachman and at least 1 of them should of had a loan but if these 2 old keepers broke their Crutches this season then we’d of had nobody to turn to.


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  20. WillisWasTheWorst

    WillisWasTheWorst Reservist

    I’d always rather have ‘football-savvy’ owners rather than a ‘super-rich bloke’.
     
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  21. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    You've convinced me.
     
  22. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    Yeah, but the myth of our "football savvy" owners is being laid bare right now. Maybe, just maybe, their 'smart, unique ways' of doing things just aren't suited for our circumstances. The Premier League is very different from Serie A, especially outside the elite sides. Their wheeling and dealing is not suited to this environment and they don't seem flexible enough to adapt.
     
  23. lowerrous

    lowerrous Squad Player

    Chelsea, Man City and RB Leipzig have fairly similar models to us in terms of recruitment, and it works for them, so.

    This summer was a relatively rare duff transfer window from them. Maybe they've lost some of their ability and focus, and have been too conservative in the market, or maybe they'll have learned a lesson from it and correct the mistakes in future.
     
  24. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    In fairness it's been savvy enough before this season. I think to call for them to leave is a little unfair when this is the first major issue they've had since arriving. I hate the term "look how far we've come" but it's difficult not to look back over the last few years under their ownership and not say it's been pretty successful.
    They don't have the money of pretty much anybody else in the Premier League so they feel the best way is to do what they are doing. Mistakes have been made recently as I'm sure they are aware of but this is our 5th consecutive season in the Premier League, we have a ground that we can actually be proud of, we've been to a cup final and semi final and even flirted with qualifying for Europe. Except for the first spell under GT this is far and away the most successful period in the clubs history and considering how different football is from the 80's you could say that it's a better spell.
    We all knew that it would come to an end at some point and maybe this is the season we do get relegated but for me Gino has plenty in credit currently and should without question still be backed by the fans. That's not to say he can't be criticised, of course he can and should be because this season is not going well obviously but there are plenty of bad owners out there and I believe we still have a very good one.
     
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  25. Aberdeen

    Aberdeen Academy Graduate

    I don't feel the European model of constantly changing managers works as well here. Clubs like Burnley and Bournemouth are probably the best formula for clubs like ours who will never compete financially with the big boys. I am not sure I would even want Watford to have billionaire owners who tried to do a Chelsea or Man City on us. We are going to be incredibly lucky now to survive this season. If I were the Pozzos I would be looking to see who would be the man to lead us back out of the Championship. If relegation is more or less certain by February/March bring in the new man with a clear brief and get the personnel in the club ready for that. It wil mean a lot of player changes but unless we continue the Tales of the Unexpected we need to be planning ahead now.
     
  26. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Sorry moog, but this thread is a much of a gross overreaction as all the fawning love given and mystical powers people attributed to the Ponzos in recent years.

    We have every reason to be upset. We've had worse sides in the past make a better fist of staying up than the current shambles. On paper, it's probably the strongest Watford squad ever assembled. And after four seasons in zero real danger it seems inexplicable we'd go from that to plum rancid last. If it seems like this was avoidable, it's probably because it was. But the key to good ownership is learning from this. Mistakes have been made and, whether we stay up or not, the next bit of Gino's ownership will make or break how the fans remember his tenure. How does he change things? Does he invest and put his neck on the line, or bang up the 'for sale' signs and run it like he's about to sell it?

    On the spectrum of football owners we'd struggle to find much better than Gino for a club of our size. He has a solid football and business background, rather than living in some fantasy wannabe football chairman world. He doesn't court the media and the bills are paid. Under his ownership I'd say we've gone from a top 40 club to a top 25 club. Implicit in that though is sometimes we may end up relegated when the music stops.

    Bear in mind other clubs occupying that bracket are the Newcastles and Villas etc, but those clubs have an appeal to a calibre of outside investor ours never will. When it comes to other owners, we're never going to attract a sheikh or the petromegadollars needed to transform the club beyond all recognition. We're much more likely to attract chancers, asset strippers and life's losers.
     
  27. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    I think the biggest thing those clubs do is accept their head of recruitment/director of football has a shelf life of 3-4 years. The best ones move around and are poached. Giraldi has been given oversight of two teams at once (and three when Granada were in the fold), and seen them achieve some pretty decent things, yet he's still here. Either he's too comfortable or no bigger club wants him.

    For me, a big 'must do' for next summer is to recruit a Watford-specific DoF or head of recruitment. Take a further step back from the Udinese links, which must prove a distraction at times, and concentrate on our needs and forward planning.
     
  28. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I'd genuinely rather have a more traditional owner, focussed on running 1 football club, without all the Pozzo baggage and go back to being a Championship club.

    Being a premier league side who will always have 1 hand tied behind its back in competing with the rest, due to our size, combined with having the other hand also tied behind our backs, because of the way we choose to operate, is never going to be successful in the long term and in my view, it's dull as piss to follow a club with the lofty aim of 10 wins per season.
     
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  29. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Aren't you at risk of wanting to go back to the Championship in the same way Brexiteers want to go back to the 1950s? The world has moved on and I'm not sure you'd really like it if we wound up back there. It's easy to be seduced by memories of something that never really was.
     
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  30. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    Me too.
    I'd feel happier now if we'd just beaten Tranmere 2-1 to go 5th in Div 1 than see us losing again after another defensive performance as we struggle to eke out survival in the prem until the inevitable happens and we drop through the trapdoor.
    I said last season that I felt we have had a bottom 6 squad for the last 4 seasons and it was simply amazing we'd not even flirted with relegation. I also said that we would probably look back in years to come on an 11th place finish and a cup final as the high water mark for decades to come despite the general view that we should have finished 7th and 11th was a disgrace. I'm sure that will be the case and can't wait to start next season in the champ without a pile of expensive imports who feel they are too good for us busy negotiating their next deal with the highest bidder.
     
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  31. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    I have to admit, I'm only half serious and my thoughts are jumbled. I do hate the Pozzo but realistically, I don't have any viable alternatives to propose or hope for.
     
  32. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    With respect to the above post, many of us have seen us relegated from the top division three times, yes it’s nice to spend a Saturday evening having had a home win v Millwall or collected three points at Barnsley, but (and here comes the trade off) its very rare for a relegated team to be promoted the next season, once on a downward slope it continues for some time until things start to get better!

    Players with any value (and which any other team will buy) will be off, gates will be down!, staff will be let go!, there won’t be a queue for season tickets, non-essential maintenance on the ground will stop!, we won’t be mentioned in dispatches, and most importantly of all if we don’t get promoted within three years our already reduced “ Sky payment “ will be back to a couple of million a year!

    I would take a struggle for points in the top division than struggling in the next one down anytime!
     
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  33. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    And we've already had some of them. Why on Earth would we want to risk going back to that? And UEA is right: There would be a high chance we would end up with that sort of owner.
     
  34. The undeniable truth

    The undeniable truth Squad Player

    I don't think for a minute we'd come straight back up. The initial focus should be adjusting and making sure we didn't drop straight through the champ. The sky money means nothing to me. Nor does the loss we are making due to increasing outgoings to more than our mahousive income just to try to stay in the prem.
    I'm fed up of not being able to enjoy watching MOTD or enjoy the little clubs beating the big clubs because of the adverse impact it may have on us.
    I'd be happy with the Pozzos in the champ, it's this obsession with the prem and the mercenaries we have to employ that I can't stand...
     
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  35. Hornet4ever

    Hornet4ever WFC Forums Last Man Standing Winner 2018/2019

    Quite an overreaction IMO given the context of a club of this size/reach/marketability. In any event can't see any wealthy individual having the funds to purchase nowadays, so it's going to be a group.

    Maybe they would speak to the new Granada owners, they've done business before & that deal is going pretty well for them.
     

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