Post-match fighting

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by UEA_Hornet, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. AshbyOrn

    AshbyOrn Academy Graduate

    Can't agree with your post as you assume they attacked the people that were the main agitators... and even then, it's wrong.
     
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  2. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina Squad Player

    If someone whacks on coach windows and asks people if they want a fight, I've no sympathy whatsoever if they get taken up on their offer.

    However, as you say, the real concern is if someone innocent is the one who gets the beating.

    Frankly from this whole sorry episode it seems the biggest idiots are the Watford fans, not the Everton ones.
     
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  3. Blue in peace

    Blue in peace Academy Graduate

    Just a few points for you.
    A) I don't condone violence but we didn't come looking for trouble, we were on a coach on our way home. If we were looking for trouble we would not be on the coach.
    B) Liverpool is far from a war zone, people from all over the world flock to Liverpool every week and have a fantastic time. We're the 3rd most visited city in England. You should visit, you'll be surprised by how nice it is and how hospitable we are.
    C) We do not call ourselves Ninjas. That would just be plain embarrassing.
    D) Why are you all so upset at us for taking Silva off you? He's not exactly any good is he?


    Good luck for the rest of the season.
     
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  4. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    Agree with point A, just because they had an arranged fight at Millwall does not mean they are the same people on the coach. Very much sounds like it was the Watford fans that may have instigated this.
    Like any city there are some good and bad points but I've been to Liverpool many times and it is far from fantastic
    Ninjas would be no more embarrassing than some of the other names banded about
    We're not upset with Everton as much as Silva himself. Everton did not cover themselves in glory but you can't blame them because they are a massive club! It was Silva who just basically downed tools and acted like a 5 year old that upsets most Watford fans
     
  5. Blue in peace

    Blue in peace Academy Graduate

    I'm not sure he downed tools, I don't think he has the tools. Richarlison is frustrating as well, we don't like play actors and to me he goes down too easily. There is a player in there but learn to suck it up mate.
     
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  6. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    That's what some of our fans did yesterday and they got their arses handed to 'em
     
  7. nascot

    nascot First Team

    Exactly what we discovered last season. When it's not working for him he starts falling over a lot.
     
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  8. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    and sulks!
     
  9. Blue in peace

    Blue in peace Academy Graduate

    His lower lip comes out
     
  10. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    The city centre is great. The rest of the city though is the most lawless part of the country. Given the amount of shootings I think war zone is apt.

    The torys ****** you.

    But you're probably a wool anyway.
     
  11. Blue in peace

    Blue in peace Academy Graduate

    That's only really gang related stuff.
    Lots of nice parts outside of the city centre especially South Liverpool.
     
  12. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    I concur, I have been to Liverpool on numerous occassions, more than 10 anyway, can't in all truthfulness say I have a bad word to say about the place or people. Tbf their fashion sense in the 80s doesn't count here since it was from the mid to late 90s I'm talking about.
     
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  13. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    I had a good mate from Liverpool, Brent his name was, we worked at the same courier firm in London. His mum lived up in Bootle and he said she was considered posh because her house had no broken windows. As a complete aside, Stanley Ave was the name of the street and I only even remember this because it was the same street my dad was evacuated to during the war.
     
  14. Blue in peace

    Blue in peace Academy Graduate

    I'm only aware of Stanley Road in Bootle. Liverpool was flattened during WW2, my mother was sent to stay with an Aunt up in Glasgow. Where was your father from?
     
  15. PhilippineOrn

    PhilippineOrn First Team

    Could have been road...this is 30 odd years from my own memory.

    He was from Chatham, born '35 so would have been 4 at the outbreak. I did actually go to Stanley Rd/Ave on one of my visits there, more interested about Brent's mum's house than where my old man got evacuated. It was just a normal nice Victorian suburban street from memory. Had a roundabout at one end maybe. Certainly wasn't the Lebanon I'd been duped into believing from my mate.
     
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  16. Guy

    Guy Squad Player

     
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  17. Forzainglese

    Forzainglese Reservist

    I think that was Tempesta's point.
     
  18. We don't know what happened yesterday.

    I've seen the Everton PR Instagram blaming the Watford fans, but how many Wolves fans blamed Nick in that incident some years back? Apparently he'd been asking for it too. Fans on social media hardly have a strong record of accuracy. I'll reserve judgement until I have something to read from the club, the police or a court.

    How much of a sad individual must you be that you allow your emotions to be dictated by a football game to the point you attack someone.

    My point was those who promote violence, Watford fans or Everton fans or whoever, aren't hard or tough, they are pathetic, they are cowardly, and they should be objects of our derision.
     
  19. Moose

    Moose First Team

    City centre is very nice, that’s true as are most of the people.

    We moan about Silva because we were doing well and Everton’s repeated approaches threw us off kilter. Silva was probably lucky as we had some very good performers, but Everton were throwing their weight around when we asked them not to. We may have gone on about that a bit since.

    Most of all, it’s a partisan game and like a panto, more fun with a villain.
     
  20. Buz180

    Buz180 Academy Graduate

    Me and my Sister we’re walking along the path side of the coaches and saw at least 3 Watford fans banging on the coaches as they walked past and then to my surprise one of them literally stepped on the first step of one of the coaches, put their head in and gave the coach the middle finger whilst shouting abuse. It was a bit toxic so we went between two of the coaches and walked roadside so I have no idea if it were these 3 lads who were involved in the scrap.
     
  21. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Can't quite get my head round the justification that "some idiots came and banged on our coach so we just had to get off it en masse and put them in hospital". Or you could've just sat on the coach and they'd have wandered off up the road after a couple of minutes? It's not as though they were storming the coach or about to firebomb it.

    Yes, it's idiotic and unnecessary to wind people up when they're sat on a coach after a loss but it doesn't remotely justify getting off the bus to beat the **** out of them. Anyone that thinks it does is an idiot.
     
  22. Lionel Fessi

    Lionel Fessi First Year Pro

    If you go looking for trouble and you get slapped, well you’ve only got yourself to blame.
     
  23. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina Squad Player

    Actually they were indeed storming the coach according to the witness above.

    "to my surprise one of them literally stepped on the first step of one of the coaches, put their head in and gave the coach the middle finger whilst shouting abuse."

    Anyone who does that and thinks that won't provoke a reaction is idiotic.
     
  24. Cassetti's Beard

    Cassetti's Beard Squad Player

    Thought the reaction from the Everton fans was odd at first as it seemed to be quite light hearted from the roadside, plenty of Everton and Watford fans flicking the v's and giving the ****** sign to one another - nothing unusual there really. As we got past the second coach you could hear 4 or 5 quite loud bangs which I thought was Everton fans at first but by the sounds of it it was some Watford fans on the other side of the coaches. Turned around to see a load of Everton fans rushing towards the front of the second coach. Went to have a look over the graveyard fence but it was all over very quickly by the looks of it. Was a very distraught youngish guy in the middle of the graveyard who seemed to have been caught up in it. Lone policeman was in amongst it but seemed as confused as everyone else.

    I imagine they'll have some more police near the coaches or just move them further back in future.

    Also, **** sitting on a coach for 6 hours.
     
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  25. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Yes it's idiotic and annoying but standing on the first step of an open coach and shouting abuse is not a physical threat to anyone, therefore there's no need to disembark and mete out a beating.

    We also don't know that the people beaten up were those that were winding people up.
     
  26. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina Squad Player

    Yes that's true - the real danger is that innocent people are the ones who take the beating. If that happened then doubly shame on our fans who instigated a riot.

    However, as to your other point, I think it's a bizarre viewpoint to think that a coach full of football fans will just ignore some sc*m who enter the coach and scream abuse at them. What if there were kids on the coach. Do you think it is acceptable that fathers should have to allow these people to scream at their kids because there is no physical threat? How are they supposed to know there is no physical threat if the thug has actually entered the coach? If someone is such an idiot as to behave how they did, my money is that they would be quite happy to throw a quick punch at someone on the coach and then run off like a coward.
     
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  27. Steve Leo Beleck

    Steve Leo Beleck Squad Player

    Ok. If you were on that coach and someone shouted some abuse from the first step of the coach, would you follow them off the coach into the cemetery as part of a group and beat the **** out of them so that they both have to go to hospital?

    Of course you wouldn't, because you're not a ****. As soon as any immediate fear of violence and the need to use self defence has passed, nothing can be justified.
     
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  28. We don’t know what happened, but reportedly leaving someone unconcious with a fractured skull doesn’t feel to me like legitimate proportionate self defence
     
  29. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina Squad Player

    Agreed.
     
  30. Jumbolina

    Jumbolina Squad Player

    I wouldn’t personally. Equally I wouldn’t swear abuse at people on a coach. Idiots hand beatings to idiots would seem to sum up the incident. (Assuming nobody innocent was caught up in it)
     
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  31. Stevohorn

    Stevohorn Watching Grass Grow

    You hope that no one has been seriously hurt but seeing the pics and video clip from yesterday i would surmise those that were attacked were on the cemetery side of the coaches and therefore were part of the group provoking Everton fans. If so it's hard to feel too much sympathy for them.
    This doesnt appear to have been a Nic type incident. More like some aggressors getting caught surprised by people getting off the coaches.
    Having said that the reaction is of course not in proportion. You often see people these days laying the boot in to someone on the ground and it's sickening. I'm sure those cowards are now claiming they "done" Watford on various message boards!

    Overall it has to be said that the foundations for this incident have been laid with the growing animosity between the clubs. Some people taking the Silva situation far too seriously and others taking it that bit further towards physical confrontation.
    It was a just another manager leaving us in acrimonious circumstances. Time to grow up and move on.
     
  32. Lloyd

    Lloyd Reservist

    Time for decent football fans to make a stand and kick violence in the face
     
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  33. Rontaylor

    Rontaylor Reservist

    Years ago I was in UK for a league cup semi 2nd leg against Liverpool. We lost as you might imagine. I had to get back into London by train. The train was packed with Liverpool & Watford supporters. Lots of banter, lots of chanting. Not the slightest bit of aggro. To be honest I was really impressed (and surprised) at the good humour of the Liverpool fans.
     
  34. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    There are certain things you simply don't do at the footy. This is one of them. Of course nobody's condoning what happened next but bl**dy hell there are some thick ****s at every club.
     
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  35. Unhappy bunny

    Unhappy bunny Squad Player

    Yes, but they expected to win and did; we expected to lose and did; and we gave them a better game than we feared we would. So everyone had reason to be in a good mood, and the Pool fans could afford to be magnanimous.

    That's not to have a pop at anyone. After any match you might find dickheads in one carriage and nice people in another, but the outcome of that particular match gave minimum incentive for dickheadery
     
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