Post-match fighting

Discussion in 'The Hornets' Nest - Watford Chat' started by UEA_Hornet, Feb 9, 2019.

  1. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

  2. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    Apparently the Everton fans all rushed off a coach and jumped a fence to fight this guy. I hope he's okay but you have to be bit dense to start giving it the big'un to a bunch of animals that were happy to march down to Millwall looking for a scrap.

    Before the game I felt a weird atmosphere walking past the pub with large groups of younger looking achne ridden Everton fans bunched together smoking cigs which (to me) looked like they were trying to goad people into arguing back with sly comments. Typical Scouse chavs. I wouldn't be surprised if they had some part to play in the incident that happened after the game.

    Now for those who like to say "Oh, Luton are barely even rivals anymore". Take the incident today as only a pinch of salt. When those zombie animals eventually meet up with us, in league or cup, it will practically be another world war compared to the scuffle today.
     
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  3. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    There's giving it the big un and there's banter in response to other banter, often used as an excuse by people who are out to shoe in someone and will find any opportunity to do it.

    They know that 80% of their fellow fans will then say "Yeah, there may have been two of them against 6 and one of them might have been 83 and had never had a scrap in his life, but if you laugh and wave at Everton fans when they've just lost and are calling you a **** from a bus, you're giving it large and fair game."
     
  4. GoingDown

    GoingDown Pizza & Figs

    Some of our more intelligent fans were abusing the fans on the coach and hitting the windows. Clever guys.
     
  5. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    You are completely right. There is absolutely no excuse to beat people up because of a footie match result. It's animalistic and makes no sense at all.

    That said, what on earth has he done to get that sort of reaction. Banter is showing the scoreline on fingers from a distance and perhaps giving the 'up yours' gesture, but this guy must've done something to really stir them up. I'm in no way condoning the fight, but we don't know whether hes got beat up because of "football banter" or because hes perhaps genuinely been a nasty piece of work. Until then, we really don't know why it has happened.

    Generally, there's always a backstory. A bit like how the 'Oh so innocent' Everton fan who got slashed at Millwall was in fact a hooligan who went down for a scrap in the first place. In return, he has been given free plastic surgery and fundraising... As a result of willingly going to a fight and getting beaten up... Live by the sword, die by the sword (cliché, I know).
     
  6. wfcmoog

    wfcmoog Tinpot

    True. We don't know what happened. I just don't like the "he was giving it the biggun" attitude. The Wolves fans were all using that as justification when Moo was nearly killed by their thugs.
     
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  7. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    We must have passed by moments before the incident.

    There was some terrace chanting from our lot & a bit of rather lame ‘you’re Scouse, you’re on the dole’ shouting.

    The one thing I did note was that the driver of the first away coach had opened his window which allowed direct engagement between a few of us & the feral inhabitants of the coach.

    Things were getting excitable.
     
  8. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    Yeah, I'm wrong to assume he was giving it the biggun. Afterall, i've had my fair share of encounters with people who are happy to fight whoever and wherever, just for the sake of it. Most of the time these types are geared up on coke, something which is quite common in football. Fortunately, we don't have this type of incident happen often at the Vic so it's a bit of a shock for the fanbase. Hoping the man is okay and isn't in a position as terrible as Nic's was.
     
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  9. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

    I saw police cars already parked up but I didn't notice anything walking passed the coaches; and I left a minute or two after the whistle blew so I can't work out when the incident occurred. Perhaps it happened as I was walking passed but I was too bleedin' happy smiling about the result and looking forward to getting home to really notice what was actually going on.
     
  10. Robert Peel

    Robert Peel Reservist

    What kind of a loser leaves the house for a football game with a knife in their pocket?

    Abused as a child would be the only thing that can begin to explain it.
     
  11. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    4 arrested says the Wobby. 2 men taken to hospital with 'bruising and cuts to their faces' - so doesn't sound as serious as rumoured fortunately.
     
  12. SuperDan

    SuperDan Reservist

    Walked past just before I assume it all kicked off and didn’t see anything to suggest it was gonna happen so quite shocked by this...

    It’s a pretty simple ethical situation though. There’s absolutely no justification for this violence, but if it’s true our fans were goading their fans and knocking on the coach windows etc then they’re ******* morons.

    Thoughts are with the family of those affected.
     
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  13. Diamond

    Diamond Squad Player

    It's been confirmed that no knife crime occurred, just fisticuffs.
     
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  14. I Blame Bassett

    I Blame Bassett Squad Player

    As I walked past a couple of teens bolted from their coach and rushed to the cemetery to join in.
    Police cars were arriving.
    Not good.
    Glad to hear there was no stabbing and let's hope everyone is safe.
     
  15. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    The Rookery was particularly slow to empty so we were pretty much the last up Occupation Rd.

    There were 2 police cars by then parked in Vic Rd but they may have been there for general duties. Certainly the many police cars & ambulances shown on the Twitter pic had not then arrived.

    From what we saw, it would not have been wise for any of ours to go round the coaches to the door side. Given the incident took place in the cemetery, I suspect this might have happened.
     
  16. Maninblack

    Maninblack First Year Pro

    Copied from my post in the match thread:

    ....I've always been puzzled why the coaches have been moved up the road alongside the cemetery and are no longer directly outside the away exit, where fans can get straight on them without having to walk alongside the majority of Watford fans as they head towards town rather than towards the hospital....
     
  17. Teide1

    Teide1 Squad Player

    Does everyone know that from the Rookery you can access and exit at the corner of the G.T. And V.C. Rd stands! ( North West corner)!
     
  18. UEA_Hornet

    UEA_Hornet First Team Captain

    Shh...Don't need more people heading that way.
     
  19. Carpster

    Carpster Reservist

    Still no excuse.
     
  20. CaveManHornet

    CaveManHornet Reservist

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    From an Everton fans perspective so possibly biased.
     
  21. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    This does tally, I’m afraid, with what I saw.
     
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  22. Espadrilles

    Espadrilles Academy Graduate

    Doesn't matter how much abuse was given there is no ******* excuse for that kind of violence.

    It's a ******* game.

    Suggesting that our fans in any way "asked for it" is out of order unless they themselves engaged in violence.

    At the end of a day what kind of ******* child would get so wound up by some choice words. I hope they identify the Everton fans responsible and throw away the ******* key

    That said if true our fans attempting to board their coach is moronic in the extreme and equally deserving of punishment
     
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  23. Harrow Orn

    Harrow Orn Squad Player

    I was walking past the coaches as it happened, few ****** signs and fans waving snakes at the Everton fans on their coaches. Was just banter initially and then admittedly a few Watford fans started banging on the coaches and offering to fight the Everton fans (saying get off the coach). Think the Watford fans were surprised when a coach load of Everton fans decided to rush off.

    Was on the road side of the coach and not the cemetry side so couldnt see what happened after but my assumption was when they jumped off the coach they just went for any watford fan on that side. But maybe the Watford fans on that side were being just as mouthy as the ones on the side of the coach I was on.

    Hope whoever got hurt is ok.
     
  24. Aberystwyth_Hornet

    Aberystwyth_Hornet Squad Player

    Hopefully those involved are okay. sounds like some of our fans acted like idiots as well
     
  25. Ray Knight

    Ray Knight First Year Pro

    Security has been poor ever since the away coaches have been parked in Vicarage Road. Hold the away fans back for 10 or 15 minutes until the road clears a bit. It's not pleasant exiting the ground since this change and it takes longer for the crowd to disperse. Where did the coaches park before? The club and police need to look at this problem.
     
  26. SkylaRose

    SkylaRose First Year Pro

    99 percent of football fans go to watch a game. Its the other one percent that needs weeding out and banned from grounds.

    Doesnt matter who started it, anyone who joined in is culpable. Its sickening as small children were around and could of been hurt had it esculated further.

    Its hopefully and isolated inccident that wont happen again anytime soon and my love goes to anyone hurt and im wishing a speedy recovery.

    Both sets of fans involved have let their club down, and the other fans too.
     
  27. Relegation Certs

    Relegation Certs Squad Player

    Yes this ties in to what I've heard. Some phoney hard men were hurling regional abuse at the coaches, hitting the windows and putting stickers on the coaches (?) and were surprised when a group of fans who walked the council estates of South London looking for trouble didn't meekly sit there and take the abuse.

    I mean no one deserves having their head kicked in but if you can't handle yourself then just go home after the match. And while with your son too! It's child abuse on the dad's part.

    These Everton rats come from extreme poverty in what is a war zone of a city. Their ninjas they call them as they are usual dressed all in black. Is it any wonder they weren't intimidated by some middle class whoppers from Chorleywood?
     
  28. Ninjas? Are you having a laugh? I though we left ridiculously named football gangs back in the 80s. Everton fans have really hit the bottom haven't they.

    Lets all point and laugh at them.
     
  29. RookeryDad

    RookeryDad Squad Player

    And Chesham Bois.
     
  30. Maninblack

    Maninblack First Year Pro

    Softy middle-class hipster cousins of the Hersham boys, with oiled-up beards and executive toys?
     
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  31. cyaninternetdog

    cyaninternetdog Forum Hippie

    Agree with all of this but there must be a Darwin award for people who taunt a coach load of angry scousers then get surprised when they decide to come kick seven shades of **** out of you. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
     
  32. Knight GT

    Knight GT Predictor extraordinaire 2013/14

    The Chesham Bois Fighting Toffs are not to be messed with! I remember when they wanted to put an estate agents next to the butcher, uproar and Mrs Jones from Green Lane was really quite cross
     
  33. Bwood_Horn

    Bwood_Horn Squad Player

    True, in ye olden days when the Rookery was the way end wasn't what is now the car park at the end of the allotments the coach park. Parking the away coaches in Vic Road has always seemed to me as an incident waiting to happen - although I suppose that it could be argued that the plan is to get them straight out of the ground and into the coaches...
    FWIW when I lived in the 'Pool there was always "some" quite nasty violence before and after derbies - but that was normally sectarian based...
     
  34. Horace_goes_up_north

    Horace_goes_up_north Academy Graduate

    In a West end town a dead end world
    The East end boys and West end girls.
     
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  35. Siohmy

    Siohmy Reservist

    By the sounds of things you are going along hurling abuse at a few hundred opposition supporters on their buses after a highly charged match. I’d like to think people can show restraint but if you randomly go up Watford High Street hurling abuse at 500 people I’d almost expect you to get smacked around on more than one occasion.

    Never like to see things degenerate into violence but simple law of averages suggest someone will want to “teach you a lesson” when you do that. You could argue that 2-300 supporters showed restraint in not confronting them.

    I am anti-violence and am all for tolerance. I’m less inclined to defend people who deliberately put themselves in a clearly dangerous situation. As people have also said, with your son as well!? I hope at least he learns from this experience.
     
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